How many here believe in evolution?

[mrfish]

erzats-

oh and i was careless..... let's not forget the book of mormon. i keep forgetting that god added that to the official holy word back in the 1800s.....

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
So is there room for evolution in a book that is so unclear?

IMO yes.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by AKIron
I can only speak for myself (when my wife let's me), and when I speak of truth it is from my personal experience and is always qualified as such.

Gee... I remember stating that truth is relative. Got pummeled for it in here.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Gee... I remember stating that truth is relative. Got pummeled for it in here.

Well, I didn't pummel ya for it. However, by faith, not science, I believe there to be only one truth, God.

Facts aren't truth, only observation, incomplete at that.

[Samm]

It's like someone said on this bb earlier . Every american christian has their own individualy tailor made god .

 Some gods are ok with women in church, some gods are ok with hats, some gods are ok with dancing, some gods are ok with substance abuse, some gods are ok with adultry, some gods are ok with condoms, some gods are ok with premarital sex, some gods are ok with polygamy. It just depends on what words in which bible you believe are the words of god . Afterall it would be pretty ridiculous to take the bible literally .

Religions place is to try to answer why something is, when religion tries to answer how something is the religion becomes mythology .

[Samm]

Originally posted by AKIron

Facts aren't truth

ok..

[AKIron]

Well Samm, do you not seek truth or meaning in your life?

[Samm]

Originally posted by AKIron
Well Samm, do you not seek truth or meaning in your life?

I guess so, I find the discovery and history channel interesting . And some say that I have an overdeveloped sense of injustice . Oh and lie detection is a hobby of mine .

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Samm
I guess so, I find the discovery and history channel interesting . And some say that I have an overdeveloped sense of injustice . Oh and lie detection is a hobby of mine .

Well, whatever makes you happy, or at least satisfied.

[streakeagle]

Originally posted by AKIron
Well, I didn't pummel ya for it. However, by faith, not science, I believe there to be only one truth, God.

Facts aren't truth, only observation, incomplete at that.

And how did you come to know of this "truth"? By observation.

You would not know "God" were it not for hearing and seeing "His" message.

Blindly accepting what you see and hear without question can be called "faith". Or being foolish.

The only truth I know is based upon what I have observed. I have observed that when something dies, it never wakes up again and eventually turns to dust. Never seen or heard any spirits or souls.

Can't see how or why people should believe in one particular "faith" more than another. Why should I believe in Catholicism over Baptists, Muslims, Methodists, Hindus, or Mormons? Should I go with the one my parents taught me? The one that makes me feel the best about myself? The one that has the most power? The one that is the most rational?

So let me get this straight, you will choose to believe in arbitrary principles for arbitrary reasons as opposed to making decisions based on direct observations?

Science is flawed in so many ways primarily because humans are flawed. However, unlike any other belief system, science admits it is wrong and strives ever harder to correct itself and get ever closer to the great truths of the universe.

Churchs only change when their in danger of losing funding, and even then they refuse to change sometimes.

Personally, I think science is just another form of religion. Like religion, its foundation (mathematics) is based on abstract assumptions that cannot be proven. However, among religions, science tends to be far more successful. Capitalism is more successful than other economic systems because it is based on the FACT that people are inherently selfish. In the same way, science is more successful than other religions because it is based on FACT that past observations allow us to predict future results in many useful ways. Whereas other religions are based on ideal principles that simply do not work in everyday life and are ultimately doomed to fail as did the idealistic Communist system.

[Leslie]

I know what the truth is.  Mr. Fish would make a darn good fire and brimstone preacher.



Les


Edit: had to take the word "probably" out.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by streakeagle
And how did you come to know of this "truth"? By observation.

No, by spiritual experience. It's one of things you probably won't believe without experiencing it either.

[mrfish]

Originally posted by Leslie
I know what the truth is.  Mr. Fish would make a darn good fire and brimstone preacher.

Les

Edit: had to take the word "probably" out.

i'm holding out for a better dental plan actually leslie, plus 'evil sinner' looks cooler on my biz cards.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by mrfish
if you are a christian then you have to
[SNIP lots of drivel]

It must be frustrating to be you...

I dont know if its just me, but the feeling I get from you and all your posts is that you are in desperate need of something, be it faith, trust, love or something like that. I dont know exactly what it is with you, but your posts all cry out "please hug me, give me attention and love."

Rough childhood perhaps?

[whgates3]

Originally posted by AKIron
No, by spiritual experience. It's one of things you probably won't believe without experiencing it either.

your experience wasn't like this:

"Hassan Ben Sabbah conditioned and organized a band of fearless political killers such as had never been seen before. His method of indoctrination was unique.vii He constructed a secret garden and furnished it with all the delights promised in the Koran…to the faithful when they reached paradise. The chosen were drugged, one or two at a time, and taken to this garden by night. When they woke up in the morningviii they were surrounded by beautiful and scantily clad houris [in Muslim belief, women who live with the blessed in paradise] who would minister to their every need and desire. After being allowed to savor this false — but pleasant and sensual — paradise for a day or so, they were again drugged before being taken back to awaken in their own squalid hovel or cave dwelling. To them, it was as if it had been a vivid dream. Ben Sabbah then sent for them, told them Allah had given them a preview of paradise, and surprised them by telling them exactly what each had been up to while in the secret garden. So successful was he in this method of conditioning and indoctrination that it was said he once astounded a visiting emir whom he wanted to impress with his power by sending for one of his men and ordering him to kill himself — which he immediately did. When an Assassin was sent out by ibn-al-Sabbah to carry out some violent death, the Assassin was just as dedicated. So convinced were the Assassins that they would be rewarded in paradise that they never hesitated to fulfill their missions of murder, even though this often meant their victims’ bodyguards would kill them immediately afterward."

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