Too much stick bounce

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

I have attached a wuick film of what my nose looks like when it bounces. I have been playing AH for four months now and I caint get it to stop. With or without trim, or auto trim, it still does it.

For example;
When I am in a turn I am applying aft presure, when this aft presure is released, gently or rapidly, to the center, the nose bounces around. I am missing many many shots because of this.

The plan in the film is the Yak-9t. Notice the ball deflection simply by pulling or pushing the stick.

Also attached in the following replys are snap shots of my current stick settings. I do not have rudder peds or a twisty stick so I have to use the "A" "S and "D" keys for rudder. They too are way too sensative but no way to ajust them. These combanations make it imposable for my to get quick snap shots, or HO presision shots. I am really loosing intrest in flying do to these problems. I thought paying a lot of money for a so called great stick would eliminate this problem but it has not.

I have a CH Fighterstick

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

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[CurtissP-6EHawk]

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[Eagler]

if its USB,  try deadpan & damping all the way down
and all the other sliders all the way up on both pitch and roll

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

I have  the dead band and damper set slightly due to a slight reverse sensing in the nuetral position. When I pull aft, for a split second I get a stick foward command. Either way, my prescision shooting is hampered. If I knew it was my stick, or pots or something, I would replace them or clean them if I knew how.

I played WarBirds about two weeks with this stick and it did the same thing there. Did I get a stick with bad pots?

If its the pots, were can I order new ones?

Thanks Guys!!

[FLS]

Try setting the pitch scale so your stick isn't so sensitive.
Your current setting jumps from about 30-100% rather quickly.
Try setting pitch to a diagonal from 0-90 where the 0 slider
is about 10%, 10 is 20% etc, just like it shows in the AH help
file under Joystick Setup and Calibration.

Contact CH Products if your stick is spiking and you aren't
comfortable taking the pots apart and cleaning them.

--)-FLS----
Musketeers

[Blank]

I'm with FLS here,

1:think about what is happening with your settings here, as you move you stick it goes from min to max very quickly, I would scale your sliders. mine are set to the default diagonal setting on pitch ,roll and rudder but I know some people go for a nice curve.

2:I find that setting the damping quite high i.e. 25% up on the rudder axis cures most of my nose bounce, unfortunatly as you  you dont have any rudder control this will not help, all I can suggest is to raise the damping on pitch and roll to make the joystck less sensitive in the center areas so that a small movement of your hand will not move the plane so around so much.

hope this helps a little, there is a thread somewhere with pictures of settings for sliders in.

[Ghosth]

They are right on the stick settings.

In fact do the exact opposite of how you have them set.

Stay low & flat curve up to finish at 100%

Try the first 5 at 1/2" increments then climb to the top with the last 4.

Stick Spike can ussually be settled with a touch of damper.

As long as the last slider makes it to the top you can get full control defelection when needed.

Roll I prefer pure stairstep unless its oversensitive.

[fuzeman]

Just a sidenote on the rudder [ a,s,& d ] adjustment, and I'm not sure it will effect it. You 'may' be able to adjust them from the control panel in windows. If you adjust the Keyboard delay and repeat rate the may effect the a,s&d key reactions.
On the stick, CH gear usually is very good and I think adjustments of your scale will help immensly.
For parts, and I don't think they will be needed to be replaced, but the CH site sells many parts. I've bought switches from them and now my stick feels like it's new.
[ Which I could buy a switch for me so I feel almost new. ]

fuzeman

[Easyscor]

I ask only because it hasn't been discussed.

Have you calibrated the stick both from Window, using a control panel and in Aces High?

The current settings you show would exaggerate any calibration errors.

[Ack-Ack]

Here's the stick scale I use and has pretty much eliminated any nose bounce for me.


Stick Scale


ack-ack

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

confirm;

0,32769,65535,0.085000,0.170000,0
0,34463,65535,0.085000,0.186000,0
0,30093,65535,0.188000,0.376000,0
442,442,65535,0.181000,0.394000,0
0,0,65535,0.050000,0.100000,0
0,0,65535,0.050000,0.100000,0
0,0,65535,0.050000,0.100000,0
0,0,65535,0.050000,0.100000,0
0,0,65535,0.050000,0.100000,0
0,0,65535,0.050000,0.100000,0
0,0,65535,0.050000,0.100000,0
0,0,65535,0.050000,0.100000,0
0,0,65535,0.050000,0.100000,0
0,0,65535,0.050000,0.100000,0
0,0,65535,0.050000,0.100000,0
0.45,0.49,0.53,0.57,0.62,0.67,0.73,0.83,0.93,1.00
0.45,0.49,0.53,0.57,0.62,0.67,0.73,0.83,0.93,1.00
0.45,0.49,0.53,0.57,0.62,0.67,0.73,0.83,0.93,1.00

I tried it and still if not worse bounce.

[F4UDOA]

I had some really wierd stick problems for a while that did not resolve with any number of changes. Until...

I removed and re-installed

1. Sound card drivers

2. Video card drivers

3. Direct-X8<==I think this is the one that fixed it. But do all of this in safe mode.

Then recalibrate your joystick in windows.

I thought I had a bad joystick too until I started reloading drivers because my DX8 crashed. I even called the tech support for my JS and they said it was bad pots too.

Trust me, try it and save yourself some time. I also had a ctd problem that I fixed by reloading Windows. Go figure.

BTW, you should post this in the tech support forum.

[bockko]

i recently went through several commercially available sticks to eliminate stick bounce. best setup is a 2 axis joystic with rudder pedals...but since r/p's are hard to find locally I did not get to test them. I did test the saitek and thrustmaster setups with the rudder on the throttle. that worked quite well for eliminating bounce...however, the thrustmaster was too small for my hands and the saitek had lousy driver support..so I ended up tweeking the settings on my microsoft precision pro 2.

key learnings: i found most bounce was induced when I applied rudder -- me rudder is scaled to from about 20% to a max of 60% and now i like the setting and it induces minimum bounce. pitch axis was the #2 culprit, adjust pitch down to minimize bounce, as previous guys have said, work your sliders down on the left, moving them up as you go from 0% up to 100%. I left roll at max.

you can use the graph box at the lower left of the joystick screen to watch your axis inputs -- tweek the settings so that they don't max out with just a little input, and watch for the effect one axis has on the others. You will have to experiment a bit for your stick.

lastly, $49 us dollars for a decent, easy to use stick . the microsoft stick has a rudder on the handle, it is easy to program and use and keeps your hand off the keyboard during a fight.

good luck

bockk

[bockko]

oops, nevermind the 49 dollar part hehe:(  i see you have a decent stick......