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HTC: What I learn't from AH and WW2OL in the last month
« Reply #135 on: January 12, 2003, 04:56:38 AM »
Let me re-iterate:

For every time you've told someone how to "tweak their system" you should realise a good gamecode doesn't need tweaking to run properly with in-spec hardware.

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« Reply #136 on: January 12, 2003, 05:02:31 AM »
I have a PIV 1.5Ghz, GeForce4 Ti 4400, 512 MB RD-RAM.

I get in the fortys pretty regularly in WWIIOL.

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« Reply #137 on: January 12, 2003, 05:13:03 AM »
Jesus - you've only got a GeForce 4? OMG, how do you cope?!
War! Never been so much fun. War! Never been so much fun! Go to your brother, Kill him with your gun, Leave him lying in his uniform, Dying in the sun.

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« Reply #138 on: January 12, 2003, 05:16:20 AM »
Downtown the big question is how low can you go..

The point is not 'where up you can get regularly' I can go up to 100+ regularly in AH with Geforce2 MX.. the point is how bad it can get with your system.

If it freezes even once during battle, well it sucks.

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« Reply #139 on: January 12, 2003, 07:55:00 AM »
Damn, and here I am having fun in there. - Good!

Some machines can't play it,  - LOTS of machines won't play it, no biggie

some ppl don't want to play a slower paced but deeper gameplay than BF42 etc, - I don't play BF1942 either, but since you mentioned it, it handles mult-arms much better. But essentially you are right... some people want to play games with their limited time, and don't have the luxury to sit for more than an hour at a stretch. Nice of you to lump them in with the fast-twitch people, though

some can't keep their comps up to date, - Mine is, latest drivers on everything... except I won't touch DirectX 9 just yet

some won't listen, - Exactly, bud... you're not listening
 
some haven't played in a year and still profess to know how it plays for everyone, - I played during this "Welcome back soldier session... and I spoke for myself only

some ppl think they know how to code when they have no idea of the issues involved. - Never professed to know how to code. This doesn't mean I can't spot crap code, though. I mean... if there's a wall, it's supposed to stop people from walking through it, right? Tank armor should be proof against pistol fire, right? ;)

Damn, there I am having fun. HC - And so am I! Nice attempt at mischaracterizing critics, though.

I will make my simple analogy for you...

Gamer A says he will try WWIIOL. You start talking to him like you're his bestest buddy, and how great the game is going to be. He spends a month straight playing the game, and uncovers a whole litany of issues that disrupt his gameplay. Gamer A comes back here and reports them to the rest of the people on this BBS to discuss them. You come in and start talking like Gamer A is an idiot and somehow the game is beyond his ability to understand, his rig is toejam, or he is too stupid to get stuff updated. That's the part I get tired of.
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« Reply #140 on: January 12, 2003, 08:26:24 AM »
The current choice is :

Play the Axis and have fun (baby seal clubbing)

Play French and get rapped with a more than porked hardware.


I know that Ireg is the only persons who can provide proper historical documentation to CRS cause those Idiot cannot read a line of french and rely on "must be true cause they are german" document.

As I cannot say it any more on playshool forum (not anymore a subscriber)   :" I pee on you Ireg".

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« Reply #141 on: January 12, 2003, 10:14:12 AM »
Our "tweaking" usually involves telling ppl to get the lastest drivers, including the mobos, and selecting "Settings" checkboxes that will insure the max FPS balanced with graphics. It is something every gamer should do always. We also recommend how to turn startup crap that does nothing but rob a system of free ram. These things are just common gaming sense. You may be thinking about the first 6 months when everyone was grasping at straws trying to help ppl find fixes for all the problems ww2ol had at launch and ppl were encouraged to try some fairly exotic fixes.


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« Reply #142 on: January 12, 2003, 10:35:10 AM »
Nice whine Straffo, you should test how easily D.520 can kill german panzers with a 20mm HE-shell shot from Hispano Hs404.

btw I'd like to know what are those porked french equipments?

oh and before you begin your rant about RHA vs cast armour you should read book "World War II Ballistics: Armor and Gunery" by Lorrin Rexford Bird and Robert D. Livingston.
It's pretty clear that german tanks in the game doesn't have a FH-armour, just RHA.
If they would have FH the british 2pdrs would have hard times to penetrate PzIII/IV armour from front.
Now 2pdr can penetrate StuG's 50mm frontal armour from 700m which, btw, is pretty much on the mark thought that penetration is for RHA, NOT for FH armour germans were using.

There's also some French researchers i the game, just like Ireq. Pachy had some nice scans in his site thought for some reason I haven't seen them in wwiiol boards.
Gotta ask my cousin to translate them to see if there's something interesting about Hs404 and its ammunition ;)

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« Reply #143 on: January 12, 2003, 10:43:12 AM »
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Sandman I used to play AH at 30-45 fps too, when I had geforce2 MX SDR and I was in heavy smoke or buggy h2h map..

I didn't consider it playable though.

Only after I upgraded to ti200 I could play AH on a level which I consider playable = no visible slowdowns at any given situation.


Well... (and don't take this personally), if you don't think 30-45 FPS is playable, I'm not sure I'll heed your opinion of anything else. IMHO, 45 FPS is not only playable, it's even enjoyable.
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« Reply #144 on: January 12, 2003, 02:32:35 PM »
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Nice whine Straffo, you should test how easily D.520 can kill german panzers with a 20mm HE-shell shot from Hispano Hs404.


It's as realistic as using the K98 as an anti tank weapon.

It least it requires minimal skills wich the clipper don't have ...

Concerning french armour my rant is simple how can all the crew die from a single shell impact ?

Btw I never said that the axis were not having trouble my point is  like previous poster said :
Why do the axis have the AA 6 month before the allied ?
IMO it's just to preserve the unbalance in game : it's bad it lead to baby seal ...

I have a box and subscribed several month to have a flawed game :(

I was a strong supporter of this game now I'm just as strongly pissed.

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« Reply #145 on: January 12, 2003, 02:34:53 PM »
I have been playing WWIIOL for about the past month or so.

Pros:

- I actually got it to run reasonably well on my 933 MHz Pentium III w/512 MB RAM and a 128 MB AGP Geforce 4 Ti 4200.  Frame rates range from 12-15 in heavy battles to 40ish by myself.

- Ground action is pretty good--IF you are with a squad or a decent group of people.  It's intense, seems fairly realistic.  Armor battles are fun.  Infantry is less so because it's so tough to model realistic cover and concealment, but it's possible to have fun playing infantry if you're sneaky and careful.


Cons:

- The flight model is, for lack of a better word, diddlyed.  So diddlyed it's not even funny.  I have had 109s turn inside my Hurricane I and Hawk 75 at 100 knots--try that in AH.  E retention is ridiculous.  Hurricanes, Hawks, and 110s are nothing but bait for the Spits, D.520s, and 109s.  109s can turn inside ANYTHING with the possible exception of Spitfires.  Plus, flying over any built-up area causes my frame rate to drop below 15 and as low as the high single digits (8 or so).  The view system is unrealistically limited, no dead six view, no way to move your head.  I'll grant that they do have some neat ideas such as controllable RPM and prop pitch, locking tailwheels, etc., but that doesn't make up for the fact that the flight model is bad.

- Playing Allied is a test of your masochism.  I like playing Allied, but the German side has a large player advantage especially during morning hours Eastern time.  They use that to push the map backward

- If you think AH is a frustrating game for a lone-wolf, non-squad player, try WWIIOL.  I spent the first couple of days literally dying dozens of times to things I never saw or heard.  Sniped from 300 yards out, picked off by a tank MG from 600 yards, that kind of things.  The only reason I stuck with the game is that I found a good squad to hook up with, and they've taught me a lot.  I still tend to die a lot though.

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« Reply #146 on: January 12, 2003, 03:07:12 PM »
Straffo do you know the difference between German and British/French AP ammunition modelled in the game?
German shells are APHE with small amount of explosives inside the projectile while French/British shells are pure AP without HE-filling.
Why don't you take a 8,8cm FlaK and test how many shells does it usually take to knock out a British/French tank?
Tip: unlike in real world it usually takes more than one.

You don't have a fcking clue what it is to play on the german side so why don't you just STFU?
You are one of those guys why non-subscribers can't post in wwiiol boards: you don't have a clue about equipments; you did play only in one side and suddenly you decided that your side is having nerfed hardware and then begins the squeaking part.

I whine too but at least I'm trying back up my opinions from books and other sources. Last year I spent over 300$ for a books just to get some info about issues I'm interested.
No problems with that, only thing which pisses me right now is that last shipment from GB hasn't arrive yet even if they sent that package week before christmas. Other package from U.S came in 4 days...

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« Reply #147 on: January 12, 2003, 03:09:49 PM »
you guys gonna try to break the record of that last wwIIonline thread lol? If you really want the fanbois to leave, just ignore them. I doubt they'll post messages to themselves. You've made your opinions known, so why not let it drop? The thread will fade into obscurity.

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« Reply #148 on: January 12, 2003, 04:47:51 PM »
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Straffo do you know the difference between German and British/French AP ammunition modelled in the game?
German shells are APHE with small amount of explosives inside the projectile while French/British shells are pure AP without HE-filling.
Why don't you take a 8,8cm FlaK and test how many shells does it usually take to knock out a British/French tank?
Tip: unlike in real world it usually takes more than one.


When did I say it was the pak 36 ?

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You don't have a fcking clue what it is to play on the german side so why don't you just STFU?


I've played on German side It's funniest than being in a Char and easiest even with the panhard bug I've been involved in an axis attack when after seeing our pzr despawn the order were to clip the char ... it say a lot about the gaming attitude of some people :(.

I persist to say that this game as been tuned in a way to make the allied the loosing side. So why should I play a game when I can read the exact same thing in a history book ?
Why should I play a 1940 game when I can do anything except playing the live target  ?

The french were having bad good and extremely good hardware but they were having incompetent people in the HQ
The way WWIIol is made I've no chance to verify this assumption.
Again why should I be involved in a replay of what happened in real ?

It has no sense or it's not a game but more an re-enactement

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You are one of those guys why non-subscribers can't post in wwiiol boards: you don't have a clue about equipments; you did play only in one side and suddenly you decided that your side is having nerfed hardware and then begins the squeaking part.


I was a subscriber till last month I didn't bother to post anything in playscool board just because they tolerate more than I can support on the signature of their "Mature" axis.
It's against the law in my country and I over-sensible on this subject.

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I whine too but at least I'm trying back up my opinions from books and other sources. Last year I spent over 300$ for a books just to get some info about issues I'm interested.
No problems with that, only thing which pisses me right now is that last shipment from GB hasn't arrive yet even if they sent that package week before christmas. Other package from U.S came in 4 days...


Learn french and you will have some primary information CRS didn't ever bother to read.
I won't learn Finnish history in a Russian book it's idiot no ?
So why are they using German sources ?????

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HTC: What I learn't from AH and WW2OL in the last month
« Reply #149 on: January 12, 2003, 05:47:24 PM »
ww2ol
i have a amd 1.33
XPpro
1 gig ram
GF3-ti500

and i get 35 to 65 in game, in combat, over citys
if flying high and no one around i have seen 130+ in the air..

in AH i get 70-100+


i just got in a amd 2400 and a gig of ddr...