Author Topic: bush is a failure (Read 1407 times)

john9001 · « **on:** April 16, 2003, 09:09:06 PM »

the anti-war,anti-american, liberal ,hollywood, etc crowd said there would be 30-40 thousand US casualties, hundreds of thousands of innocent iraqis killed and the "arab street" would rise up in protest of the imperial boosh/halburton oil cartell attack on the sovereign dictatorship of saddam the butcher of bagdad.

so.....bush is a failure, he has caused none of these things to happen.

Staga · « **Reply #1 on:** April 17, 2003, 01:38:21 AM »

errrr thing is that game US is playing in the middle-east is never over.
You can bomb one country to the stoneage but there's still people who are ready to blow some stuff up to have a revenge.

Remember, it took only dozen of nutcases (mostly from SaudiArabia) to kill 3000 americans.

Rasker · « **Reply #2 on:** April 17, 2003, 01:44:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga
Remember, it took only dozen of nutcases (mostly from SaudiArabia) to kill 3000 americans.

Yeah, but thats the sort of thing that would only work once against us (like Pearl Harbor). And once it's done, there's no place on this planet where the perpetrators can hide or find protection.

Famous Last Words: "I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant, and fill him with a terrible resolve." -Isoruku Yamamoto

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #3 on:** April 17, 2003, 02:43:39 AM »

Staga:

We didnt bomb iraq to the stone age, that is incredibly ignorant misrepresentaion on your part and a very disrespectful attitide to the incredible lengths we went to in the airwar to spare all manner of infrastructure and civilan facilities. We even left the lights on in baghdad - power was only shut off by the iraqis when we were closing in on the city.

So please be more careful how you characterise things, otherwise we might take it the wrong way.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #4 on:** April 17, 2003, 02:54:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Rasker
Famous Last Words: "I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant, and fill him with a terrible resolve." -Isoruku Yamamoto

Actually his last word were: "Did you see that? I think I saw p38's"

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #5 on:** April 17, 2003, 03:04:51 AM »

I just love the way Grunherz talks about 'we' when he refers to the actions of the US military. As if he had anything to do with it. LOL.

My guess is that the human shield campaign was effective - the coalition chose not to bomb the protected plants in fear of a huge publicity scandal and a propaganda victory to the Iraqis.

10Bears · « **Reply #6 on:** April 17, 2003, 03:13:22 AM »

Um.. Grun, how do you explain the water pumping stations in Basira and Bagadad?

People in a desert country went without water for almost a week!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #7 on:** April 17, 2003, 03:26:06 AM »

Well siaf I guess I consider the military of my country as my countrymates and so I use the word we. However that might not generally be the case in eurotrash countries with no more pride in themselves or in people who oppose the war or who think the military is evil.

I said we tried hard 10Bears, infintely harder than at any large scale modern war, not that nothing was hit or that we were perfect. You dont really agree with his assertion that we bombed them to the stone age do you? You must see how excggerted and innacurate that stement is?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #8 on:** April 17, 2003, 03:32:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Siaf__csf

My guess is that the human shield campaign was effective - the coalition chose not to bomb the protected plants in fear of a huge publicity scandal and a propaganda victory to the Iraqis.

You are trolling agian... Most of those idiotys camped out at hospitals and orpahanages -places they knew wouldnever be targeted. The second the Iraqis asked them to protect real targets they all packed up and ran back home to their safe western countries and their comfortable houses, nice jobs and hot starbucks lattes.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #9 on:** April 17, 2003, 04:52:41 AM »

Wrong Grunherz, not so long ago I saw a document of the human shields tragicomic trip to Iraq, and they were appointed to power plants among other places.

Some of them skipped because the Iraqis had major garrisons right next to the plants.

And as what goes to 'eurotrash' if I recall correctly, you were born in europe. You're a first gen immigrant.

Do you have any idea how phoney and ridiculous you sound when you spew bs like that? Get a grip man.

Fatty · « **Reply #10 on:** April 17, 2003, 05:13:04 AM »

They didn't try to avoid the human shields, or at least I hope not. There would have been a popularity boost of 10% just by hitting a few of them.

Eagler · « **Reply #11 on:** April 17, 2003, 07:11:39 AM »

shielded hospital and universities which proved to be some of the biggest arms caches the mighty iraq military had

yep, Bush is a failure at over 70% approval rating

sorry we had to disrupt their water and electricity 10bears, I do think it was a war. if that action saved one US soldier from injury it was worth it.

stupid thread

Torque · « **Reply #12 on:** April 17, 2003, 07:39:36 AM »

Does this mean Martin Sheer will get the axe?

lazs2 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 17, 2003, 08:26:01 AM »

10 bears... your just pissed because this was the most "humane" war ever fought in the history of mankind.

All wars are bad things... All you can hope for is good reasons and good results with as little suffering as possible... As wars go... this one was the best that anyone could hope for... You really have to dig to find the downside don't ya?

yeah... people got killed and yes there was suffering and destruction of property. Taken case by case... every case of suffering was a tragedy...

Hopefully, 6 mos of new rule will more than make up for the entire losses of the war... Hopefully the example shown to world wide terror and those who would harbor them will prevent maybe 1 or a dozen cities going up in ash from a few suitcase nukes. or a few shot down airliners will be prevented or bio poisoning of millions of peoples water supplies.

Maybe those who want to sit on gold toilets will evict their terrorist scum tennats... maybe terrorism will be too expensive of a hobby for them now.

10 bears... maybe you liked the way that clinton handled africa? was that the kind of "end to suffering" that you endorse? Was that the way war should be waged and the results that we should expect? How much suffering did it cause and how much did it end? How effective was the U.N.?
lazs

10Bears · « **Reply #14 on:** April 17, 2003, 08:08:15 PM »

I said we tried hard 10Bears, infintely harder than at any large scale modern war, not that nothing was hit or that we were perfect. You dont really agree with his assertion that we bombed them to the stone age do you? You must see how excggerted and innacurate that stement is?

Staga said “One could bomb a country to the stone age there would always be a part of the population that is radicalized. That’s a general statement and could be applied to any country --he didn’t mention Iraq. You seem to imply that the bombing of the water pumping stations was an accident. It wasn’t. It was a deliberate act to break down the enemy’s will to wage war. A sound military strategy, however, I still feel this is a war crime. Because when you think about it, which enemy’s will are you trying to break down? The Iraqi military or civilians?.

sorry we had to disrupt their water and electricity 10bears, I do think it was a war. if that action saved one US soldier from injury it was worth it.

I’m cool with shutting off the lights.. it’s the water pumping stations I have a problem with. Remember, parts of Baghdad and Basra are pretty build up eh.. 5 story western style apartment buildings and that.. with western style plumbing fixtures. Can you imagine the entire city unable to flush the toilet? Unable to take a shower?. Ah man!.. Let’s not talk about all the bacteria floating around.. germs diseases. Oh no... if this isn’t a war crime.. it ought to be.

10 bears... your just pissed because this was the most "humane" war ever fought in the history of mankind.

Not exactly Laz, 1999’s Operation Allied Force was more humane. Only 200 Serb civilians were killed according to the Serbian government. The United States along with 19 nations of NATO and the support of 53 other countries used force to accomplish political goals. Those goals were met after 78 days of bombing. One of the main reasons for this: Using graphite bombs on Belgrade power station night after night.. The rich people in those high rises finally got tired of walking up 16 flights of stairs and called Slobo on the phone to sue for peace.

At no time during Allied Force did we bomb the water pumping station. The cigarette factory.. well ok.. we hit their cigarette factory.. Serbs had to sue for peace after running outta smokes..

10 bears... maybe you liked the way that clinton handled africa? was that the kind of "end to suffering" that you endorse? Was that the way war should be waged and the results that we should expect? How much suffering did it cause and how much did it end? How effective was the U.N.?
lazs

Are you talking about Uganda? President Clinton now says he regrets his decision not to intervene in that civil war. I have to disagree.. His first instinct was better.. The Hutis vs the Tutus.. What do we tell our troops.. only shoot the tall guys? No real command or leadership structure... no uniformed forces.. that would’ve been a real mess.