Author Topic: Hell, I'll bet this guy has gotta be black....  (Read 3461 times)

Offline GRUNHERZ

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Hell, I'll bet this guy has gotta be black....
« on: May 11, 2003, 03:45:30 AM »
was my thought as I read through this article and sure enough he was..  I for one cant think of one other reason this con job was allowed to go on for so long with all those red flags and oddities except for thew fcat that he was black and part of an outreach program. Truly despicable lazy behavior on the part of his employers and this is sort of stuff that gives outreach programs a bad name.

Read for yourself....

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast/05/10/ny.times.reporter/index.html

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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2003, 03:59:22 AM »
You, sir, are a dip****.  Guess that means you have to be white.

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« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2003, 04:00:07 AM »
Lol, no doubt.   A white guy wouldn't have lasted a third that long with that kind of performance.
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2003, 04:06:11 AM »
You horrible little totallitarian freak.
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2003, 04:17:44 AM »
Ahhm I think a few you missed the point......

I was criticizing the newspaper for letting this go on and promiting him so fast when his performance was terrible and all sorts of red flags went up by his direct supervisors and coworkers, did anyone actually read the article?

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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2003, 04:32:27 AM »
Yeah, I read the article earlier this evening.  I also read the title of this thread.  I didn't miss the point... its quite visible at the top of your head.

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« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2003, 04:36:21 AM »
But here let me be more deatiled in my thoughts.

As I read this article and others about one mistake after another and another and the dozens of corrections to his works and oddities all followed by a string of rapid promotions and praise from high executives at the NY Times it just dawned on me that something had to give, that there had to be something else going on here and something that covered his bellybutton from being fired and actually got him promoted and it just struck me that he he had to be black and that he was being kept on because he was a young black reporter with some promise - and thats exactly what seems to have happened. He was hired as part of a minority oureach program and he was touted as great evididence of the program's sucsess by NY Times executives at their presenetations to black bussines/political groups. Just seemed to me that was going on.

Now I hope thats pretty clear..

So let me conclude by saying quite simply.

I dont think his decision to lie in reporting was because he was black - thats nonsense and if you think thats what I said then please reconsider your judgement.

I do however think him being able to continue doing this and get promoted so quickly was at least in some part influenced by the fact that he was a young black reporter and part of an outreach program which the newspaper leadership found useful for image purposes.

Is that more clear?

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I think the title of your thread sealed their response, GRUNHERZ......
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2003, 06:24:00 AM »
Yeah, it is probably true what you said.
Affirmative Action was (hell, still is????) a decent idea in theory, but in practice it pretty much sucked.

I worked with a guy in a gypsum wallboard factory in Quanah, TX back in the late '80's who more than once just skipped work.  No call in, nothing.
He did this for FOURTEEN consecutive days on one occasion; I, and the other guy working that station, covered his shifts the whole time.  We wondered aloud between ourselves how long it would be before they put his job up for bid.  No-call, no-show two or three times and you were pretty much terminated as an employee.  Not this guy.
Fourteen days after ANYONE had heard from him he comes bee-bopping into the plant, lunchbox in hand, grinning from ear to ear.
I asked him if he was alright, "Yep, just fine."
Shift foreman calls down to the floor when he sees him standing at the work station and says he wants to see him in his office.
Now the guy isn't smiling.  He throws his lunchbox under a table and heads off to the foremen's office.  I figure I'm gonna get more overtime today, since this guy obviously is done here.  
"Yup, he gets his pink slip today," I tell myself.
He comes downstairs to the floor in about 10 minutes, laughing the whole way.
I ask him what happened.
"He tried to tell me I was fired since I didn't call in."
"And?"I asked, wondering what the hell the smiles and laughter is about.
"I told him right quick that if he tried to fire me I would have the NAACP here and and they would fight for my job, AND sue his WHITE ASS.  He backed down quick.  Man, you should have seen his face when I said NAACP!"  The guy goes on getting ready for his shift, but now I am getting pissed.
Up to this point, I had considered the guy as a friend, or almost one.  We had been pretty tight, ran around and drank beer together, all that stuff I did back then.
"You remember when he told me a few weeks ago that if I was late to work one more time I was gone?"  Subtle nonthreatening probe from me.
"Yeah, I remember that.  You were screwed.  I kinda felt sorry for you."
"Why is that?"
"Simple:  You're white.  They can fire you and the union won't care, they'll just hire somene else.  I'm black.  They even try to fire me and the union will be all over them, PLUS, I got the NAACP if they ever mention firing me again.  I got them right where I want them."
"So, the NAACP would do what?"
"They would call and raise hell, and more than likely I would keep my job AND get rid of the guy who wanted to fire me."
"Even if you were dead wrong?  Like right now?"
Now the guy knows what I am thinking.  The smiles are gone, there is a pissed look in his eyes.
"Tell ya what, if the NAACP did come in here, they would have to do an investigation to see if it was racism, and THAT is where you're wrong.  There are 20 other guys right here on the floor who know what you just did and what you are trying to pull off.  And we ain't all white.  Just look around.  I think you're gonna have a long day, man," I commented as I grabbed my stuff.


Sure enough, the union president shows up later that afternoon to help this "mistreated" employee file a grievance against the foreman.  And against myself.
Why?
#1:  Not sure now, but back then people who were considered minorities got away with murder.  It was more important to keep them on the payroll than it was to look at their job performance.
#2:  The NAACP was feared by a lot of employers.  Even if they were 100% right (the employers), the fact that the NAACP was involved automatically meant that the media would look upon them as evil, racist, and oppressive.  The NAACP didn't have to prove anything.  Classic example of "guilty until proven innocent", and then the media wouldn't care.  My employer did not want the publicity, so this guy got off without even a slap on the wrist.

FWIW, I agree with ya, Grun.   Even if it ain't politically correct to point out the truth, I stand beside ya on this one.

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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2003, 09:39:22 AM »
You shoulda seen what I had to go through to try to fire a woman.... I at least made everyone above me admit that it was the fact that she was a woman that made em drag their feet... gutless wonders.
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« Reply #9 on: May 11, 2003, 10:28:10 AM »
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Lol, no doubt.   A white guy wouldn't have lasted a third that long with that kind of performance.


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« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2003, 10:57:40 AM »
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You shoulda seen what I had to go through to try to fire a woman.... I at least made everyone above me admit that it was the fact that she was a woman that made em drag their feet... gutless wonders. - Lazs


They had good reason to drag their feet. At least its understandable anyway. The EEOC is a terrorist organization that will entertain just about ANY allegation that is submitted to them, no matter how unsupported or flimsy the documentation.

And when the EEOC accepts the case, look out. They have almost total power over your org. at that point.
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« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2003, 11:30:39 AM »
I had very good documentation and I have been on the stand before.  
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« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2003, 11:43:00 AM »
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I didn't miss the point... its quite visible at the top of your head.

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Ok, now that was funny.  :D

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« Reply #13 on: May 11, 2003, 11:55:24 AM »
There goes what little credibilty the NYT had left.
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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2003, 12:06:11 PM »
let your hate grow.

maybe you can kill them one day or own them.



p.s. i think you are finding questions for answers.   and yea its buhl****.