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Offline jEEZY

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« on: May 13, 2003, 09:00:24 AM »
Hi all,

I just played Forgotten Battles; Wow.  A very well done sim--lots of things about it just seem right: gunnery, aircraft management, light effects, etc.  Perhaps its just the novelty, but I really like the feeling of that game over AH.  In fact AH feels more like an arcade game after Forgotten Battles; wish it was Massively Multi-player.  

Anybody else think that the FM and such seem more realistic?

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Re: Forgotten Battles
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2003, 09:10:08 AM »
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In fact AH feels more like an arcade game after Forgotten Battles; wish it was Massively Multi-player.
 

I agree. Much of it is due to the easier gunnery, icons and graphics.

Oleg has said he is hoping to do a MMP flight sim based on the IL2 engine.


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Anybody else think that the FM and such seem more realistic?
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The individual plane FMs are much more balanced in AH. Gameplay balance is the key issue, AH is much better there.

There are some FM issues in FB, but overall, FB gives a nice "suspension of disbelief".  The overall difficulty level is higher in FB, good for the challenge. :)

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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2003, 01:46:05 PM »
FB is really cool graphics but them guns I tell ya. Ill go through all my ammo and lucky if the plane ahead goes down. The damage model is really great to but I havent played it enough to find all the jewls in it.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2003, 02:00:36 PM »
played it online for the first time last night. My first shot with my jug 25 blew apart a 190 in a full crossing shot. I was supprised after my single player experiance.
As to the flight models..dont know. the fundimentals are there to have an extraordinary game. The models the graphics the sounds the terrains. Increadble. But online the stutering is pretty bad. And standalone the campaign is pretty farcicle. The pieces are increadable. But the overall is less then the sum.
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2003, 02:57:09 PM »
The Flight models in FB's do indeed have "Issues."  Please don't confuse difficulty w/ accuracy.  Some elments in the Flight Models- like slow speed flight- are done better in FB's.  The rest of the "Flight Envelope" is much much better in AH.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2003, 09:45:38 AM »
In my eyes AH have better multiplay regarding getting multi pilots playing at the same time and exelent Vox communcation.

But I have to say that FB is a more detailed/challanged and more realistic game then AH at the moment;).

AH gets more Arcade game after you tested FB;)
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2003, 10:14:44 AM »
...until AH2 comes along!
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« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2003, 01:10:22 AM »
well, its not a super multiplayer game like aces high is, but it pretty much hands down beats it with the exception of the view system.


When, and if forgotten battles, or a game with that engine comes along, and is a multiplayer like aces high, well aces high better look out.
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« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2003, 01:47:31 AM »
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...until AH2 comes along!



I doubt...
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2003, 06:15:37 AM »
Are you joking, right? FB is a nice offline sim, with a beautiful 3D engine. However, his CEM is full of bugs and the whole sim needs a ton of fixes. A patch is inbound but, as for IL-2, it probably wont fix all the bugs and inaccuracies. Why? Time is money and next 1C projects needs manwork.

AH's FM is, generally speaking and IMHO, much better.

Take a look at the SimHQ BBS and read what even former beta-tester say about FB and his FM. You really should have been a beta tester to understand.
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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2003, 07:59:40 AM »
It would be nice if AH2 planes have historical cockpits and historical engine managment... But I doubt


AH1 version 1.11P4  vs IL2FB version 1.0? Wow!
Thats bit straight forward, eh?


Well, IL2FB can offer lot more plane simulator even todays state than AH1 ever.  

I like them both
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2003, 09:31:53 AM »
Seems to me that the FM in FB is better tthan AH based on my experiance flying planes and gliders.  Albeit the planes I have flown were not 300mph fighters--but the basic sensations and such are the same.  The basic flight characteristics such as landing taking off, coordinated turns, straight and level, seem more realistic in FB--Like I said above, AH feels more like an arcade game, perhaps it has to in order to be a Massive Multiplayer.  

Futhermore, the gunnery in FB is more difficult to master--I think in this area FB beats AH hands down.  In AH it is not unusual for a single plane to down a b-17 on a single pass--this should be the exception not the rule.

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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2003, 09:36:00 AM »
AH will never have to worry about IL-2FB. The "Why?" has been pointed out time after time.
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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2003, 09:42:51 AM »
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It would be nice if AH2 planes have historical cockpits and historical engine managment... But I doubt


AH1 version 1.11P4  vs IL2FB version 1.0? Wow!
Thats bit straight forward, eh?


Well, IL2FB can offer lot more plane simulator even todays state than AH1 ever.  

I like them both


You mean unreadable cockpit and hysterical engine management ? :D
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2003, 10:03:30 AM »
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You mean unreadable cockpit and hysterical engine management ? :D


Yeah, that I mean :D

No no, FB kind of cockpits with AH snapview setup system plus native TrackIR support plus terrible hysterical engine managment :p
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