Author Topic: Forgotten Battles (Read 2505 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #60 on:** May 17, 2003, 04:11:08 AM »

I cant seem to find any fun playing IL2 online - it seems there are just a bunch of quaker no cockpit types on hyperlobby. And frankly I had my fill of those "hosted" flight sim fights when I flew janes WW2 fighers - I like AH arena setup much betterbecause of the freedom it gives you and the huge size of the map.

Like everyone else I love the graphics and atmospherics of IL2.

But I hate the following:

Huge muzzle falshes - oleg seems to think all cannon have the 6 foot fireballs that loose tolerance russian cannon had in the war and after. This is false, I have seen shots p39 firing all its nose guns in a pitch black environment and the muzzle blast was not 1/2 of what they have in Il2 in the middle of the day. This is most obvious when firing the MK108 30mm, hell if it produced such a muzzle blast there would have nbeen no propellant to left to move the shell.

Which brings me to the second point, MK108 is neuterd in the game. I have seen fighters take numerous 30mm hits in that game and merilly go on like nothing has happened. Hell just look at batz's videos that La7 is rolling, looping and jinking like mad after he got blasted by 30mm two or thrre different times. Sorry I just dont buy that the DM in that instance - I have simply seen and read too much about MK108 effect to belive that.

Then of course there is the view system - its way too limited. They should just copy the AH view setup primarily in the adjustabvle head position but not the full exent of the linda blair AH 360 degree six view which I belive is a bit too generous. We should be able to look back over our shoulder and be able to see straight back and not just the tiny 90 degree side/rear view it gives now.

The FW190 series seems really poor in that game, it flies like crap and feels lethargic.

MoMoney · « **Reply #61 on:** May 17, 2003, 09:13:12 AM »

Why does the P-40 explode suddenly ?

Why can you still drop flaps at any speed and cause overshoot?

Why does the Stuka outroll the P-47?

In Il2- trim could be used instead of aleron/elevator control- now trim has litle/ no effect?

No difference to FM loaded or unloaded.

E-bleed is all wrong.

Roll rates generally all wrong.

Engine management all wrong.

Damage model generally wrong.

Russian planes uber/ German-US planes porked.

Overrated Cartoon like textures.

Wants to re-write history with regard to VVS performance. See Lock-on as another example.

ON ON and ON and ON................

Serious simmers can see FB's for what it is- a gimick.

Batz · « **Reply #62 on:** May 17, 2003, 10:51:39 AM »

Define any speed? Do you know how to convert k/mh into mph?

p40 has a bug it will get fixed. Do you know the a6m2 tail fails off with slighhtest bump in ah. Do you the ju88 fuel consumption is about 1/3 of what it should be. Do you know that ah has auto retrtacting flaps that in some cases dont match historically. I can list 1000 ah bugs.

The stuka was very manuverable:

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In his autobiography, Hans-Ulrich Rudel recalls how his Ju 87 once came under attack from an excellent La-5 pilot:

"I just can't understand how he manages to follow my sharp turns in his fighter aircraft," wrote Rudel. Rudel started preparing himself for the final end, as he suddenly heard his rear-gunner, Stabsarzt Ernst Gadermann, cry over the R/T: "Got the Lag!" Rudel continues: "Was he shot down by Gadermann, or did he go down because of the backwash from my engine during these tight turns? It doesn't matter. My headphones suddenly exploded in confused screams from the Russian radio; the Russians have observed what happened and something special seems to have happened... From the Russian radio-messages, we discover that this was a very famous Soviet fighter pilot, more than once appointed as Hero of the Soviet Union."

That VVS ace was Lev Shestakov

Trim has an effect. It works fine for me. IN il2 you could actually fly the planes just with trim. Folks would map their sticks to throw full trim in the direction they moved it to get better manuverability.

AH has combat trim....

e bleed is wrong on some some planes.

Remember the chogs ability to 90 an instant 180 at 3 gs then run ya down?

How about the shallow climb bug in the spit and niki as documenteed by kweassas tests?

the 190 roll rate in ah is wrong. Try the 109e....

What do you know about eng management?

Theres is none in ah...

The damage model is still better then what we have in ah.

German planes porked? the 190s have a few issues but the 109s are incredible. I have np killing vvs planes piloted by humans or ai.

I agree about Cartoon textures some what but some of the skinning over there is incredible.

Ever see an ah 190 cockpit?

rewrite history? What do you know about history. You struggle in ah and theres no doudt that you would struggle in FB.

Stay in your p38 and hogs and dont worry about il2.

Gruen if you hit cntrl f8 (turn on manual view control: hit esc youll see it) whe watching that track and you see 3 3cm hits. The plane flew on. I was timid after that because at the time I disnt know how much damage he had. After a few rolls and loops he bails.

In the second track 1 3cm hit (i think it got his control cables) and he bails.

Theres bugs in all these games. FB AH WBS wwiiol and any other game you can think. Theres only 1 game where the bugs were so bad I wont ever play again. Thats wwiiol.

AH used be fun for me. I enjoyed logging in and finding some quick a2a fun. Now its about war winning and land grabbing. Its not my cup of tea. When AH2:ToD opens up I'll be back in an instant. Bugs and all.

I actually still have an ah sub until Operation Watchtower Frame 4 ends today.

straffo · « **Reply #63 on:** May 17, 2003, 11:18:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Batz
Straffo thinks every french or Russian plane is porked in every game that has french and russian stuff. He complained that the French stuff in wwiiol was porked on purpose when everyone knows thats false. Now in il2 I bet he flies Russian planes and claims the CEM is biased.

Nice tirade but full of bull****.

And still pretend the French tank sight are ON PURPOSE porked in WWIIOL and NO OPEL TRUCK of any sort can do 100km/H off road.
Should I go further ? and continue the list of error in WWIIol equipement ,it's not the WWIIol BBS here.

Now you are assuming I have IL2 and FB it's right ,butthey are covered with dust cause I've not any time for this games.

And worst you are assuming I'm a sort of Russianwhiner.

I'm pretty pissed by your post.
For the future instead of posting what you think are my though it would be intelligent to ASK ME BEFORE .

Batz · « **Reply #64 on:** May 17, 2003, 11:53:40 AM »

I have read your whines about the french in wwiiol, I have read your vvs whines in niemen. I know you fly a yak. Your last post was:

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You mean unreadable cockpit and hysterical engine management ?

Its logical to assume that in a thread about FB the whine above would be about fb. The only cockpits in FB that are unreadable are some of the vvs ac.

2 + 2 = 4

I see now that your reply was a random undefined whine about something you have no experience with. How silly of me.

2 + X = Y

As for being pissed

MoMoney · « **Reply #65 on:** May 17, 2003, 12:29:58 PM »

Batz....Your what I mean by "Johnney come lately." I never said the Stuka shouldn't out-turn the P-47- I SAID ROLL. ROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course the Stuka will out-turn the very highly wingloaded P-47!!! THE STUKA OUT ROLLS THE P-47 in THAT CRAPPY GAME too. I have two things to say about that survey sim: STUDDER- and LONG LOAD TIMES!!!!!!!

straffo · « **Reply #66 on:** May 17, 2003, 12:37:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Batz
I have read your whines about the french in wwiiol,

And where they unfounded ?

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I have read your vvs whines in niemen.

There was only one intended as a joke I posted by error in a wrong forum.

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I know you fly a yak.

I know you also fly lw plane and so ?
Did I whine in this BBS about the performance of the Yak9U/T ?

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Your last post was:
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You mean unreadable cockpit and hysterical engine management ?

No my post was :

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Originally posted by straffo
You mean unreadable cockpit and hysterical engine management ?

It's a bit different especially when you look at the "

" at the end.

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Its logical to assume that in a thread about FB the whine above would be about fb. The only cockpits in FB that are unreadable are some of the vvs ac.

2 + 2 = 4

I see now that your reply was a random undefined whine about something you have no experience with. How silly of me.

2 + X = Y

As for being pissed

I'll let the other judge your (IMO flawed) interpretation.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #67 on:** May 18, 2003, 08:55:36 PM »

So, what are your system specs MoMoney?

You haven't posted them here, yet state you have a "high end system" and get stutters & long load times.

I don't have either of those problems, and I don't have a "high end system":
Athlon XP 2000+
768MB PC133 SDRAM
GeForce 4 Ti4200 (300core/545mem)
SB Live!
Win98

Game runs flawlessly, except on the Finland map for several reasons, at the highest detail settings across the board, except not "Perfect" landscape, and at acceptable frame rates... as in above 25.

Do you have roll rate figures for the Stuka vs the P47? Were you fighting AI or humans?

The P40 exploding is a bug, all software has bugs, so why bring up known bugs that are going to be fixed as a point as something sucking? Makes you look kind of like a... well... a dolt.

As for the rest of your rant: Do you have facts and figures pointing out these inconsistencies? If not, then you really have no basis for any of your points.

Oh yeah- and CFSIII sucks a mean d!ck, that's all it does.
-SW

JoeSmoe · « **Reply #68 on:** May 19, 2003, 02:06:27 AM »

AKS\/\/ulfe is my new hero.

MoMoney · « **Reply #69 on:** May 19, 2003, 07:16:46 AM »

CFS3 does sux..out of the box anyway. Since its completely modable. The community has developed some very nice mods and the 1% team has created wonderful Fm’s to replace the crap that was shipped. With all the mods installed- FB does only one thing better than CFS3- slow speed flight-as on approaches and takeoff. I have a AMD 2600 with ½ gig ram and I got the stutters. Lots of people over-there have got the stutters (according to forums). And I will say this again-FB’s is not a ver 1.0 product. Hello is anyone in there??? This sim is Il2-FB ver 1.3. and I’m so glad that Oleg guy is trying to ram the eastern front down everybody throat. I could give a crap about commies vs nazi’s. Give me N. Africa, BOB , Med, hell give me the pacific. 20 versions of the Bf109 and Yak doesn’t do it for me. The sheep over there are so mesmorized by the candy that THEY even think they like the E.Front. Hell- these sheep (more like slaves) are now working on new planes for Oleg. They do the work- he takes the work and sells it. Nice business model. Every time time I fly FB’s I feel like I’m in a Roger Rabbit cartoon. When you fly at 15k+- the cartoon sky is just a joke.

Rude · « **Reply #70 on:** May 19, 2003, 09:44:43 AM »

Oleg told me that he was disapointed and had alot of work remaining.

He also fears HT's ability to not only outcode him, but to whip his arse in Texas Holdem.

What a total europutz!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #71 on:** May 19, 2003, 09:49:14 AM »

"The sheep over there are so mesmorized by the candy that THEY even think they like the E.Front."

You arent seriouly suggesting that they dont actually have an interest in the estern front, it was the biggest combat theater of the war by far and some 3/4 of the war's total casualties took place there and most of the largest ground battles and many of the larger air battles...

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #72 on:** May 19, 2003, 11:43:19 AM »

The game isn't the problem with MoMoney, he obviously got it up the butt from Oleg and is pissed he didn't get the obligatory reach around.
-SW

jEEZY · « **Reply #73 on:** May 19, 2003, 12:56:38 PM »

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This sim is Il2-FB ver 1.3. and I’m so glad that Oleg guy is trying to ram the eastern front down everybody throat. I could give a crap about commies vs nazi’s.

Why did you buy the game in the first place? If you don't like the E Front seems ridiculous, or irrational to spend money on it--unless you get a perverse pleasure from being let down.

We have heard your substinitve arguments about the game. Please spare us your rants about everything else.

Anybody create any cool missions for FB. I tell you I love the strafffing action in the game--taking out a coulmn is truely fun. As for the FM I am getting used to them.

jeezy

Batz · « **Reply #74 on:** May 19, 2003, 01:12:53 PM »

Set a camera up near your column and record the track. Set the column up with lotsa trucks. I pretty to see all the little soldiers running away.

The FMB is easy as heck to use.