WMD just a convenient excuse for war, admits Wolfowitz

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Sox62
The fact of the matter is that all the Bush haters here would be singing the praises of the President who rid the world of a dictator and his brutal regime.......if it was a democratic president.

The fact of the matter is that statement is nothing more than an opinion.

Because it's an opinion, I'll not comment on the correctness of it. I'll just disagree.

[weazel]

Originally posted by Sox62
The fact of the matter is that all the Bush haters here would be singing the praises of the President who rid the world of a dictator and his brutal regime.......if it was a democratic president.

Weazel, (and 10Bears)
Please don't try to push yourself off as some kind of "True Patriot" I almost fell out of my seat when I read that one. What have you (and 10bears) done to support your country? Have you "True Patriots" even served a day in the military to support this country? Personally, I don't think you'd have the balls to fight for something you believed in, you're too comfortable sitting behind your computer screen insulting America. Let me tell you something, you both are about as far from being a patriot as you can get.

How old are you boy?

I was serving while you were probably still ****ting green.

Being a patriot means supporting your country, not the pResident...especially when he's wrong.

[Toad]

Weaz, Wep is serving now, with distinction.

I doubt either you or I had a job even remotely like his in that respect.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by weazel
I was serving while you were probably still ****ting green.
.

I was ****ting green last nite....  friggin' broccoli.

[weazel]

He deserves a salute for a job well done..but if I was sent into combat for spurious reasons I would be a little pissed off at the liar in the White House.

Wouldn't you be?

Originally posted by Toad
Weaz, Wep is serving now, with distinction.

I doubt either you or I had a job even remotely like his in that respect.

U.S. Insiders Say Iraq Intel Deliberately Skewed

(America catches up to what the rest of the world always knew.
Bush's good puppy press tied up in knots - how can they protect Bush?)

Excerpt:

A growing number of U.S. national security professionals are accusing Bush of slanting the facts and hijacking the $30 billion intelligence apparatus to justify its rush to war in Iraq.

Patrick Lang said the CIA had "no guts at all" to resist the allegedly deliberate skewing of intelligence by a Pentagon that he said was now dominating U.S. foreign policy.

Anger among security professionals appears widespread. Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, a group that says it is made up mostly of CIA intelligence analysts, wrote to Bush May 1 to hit what they called "a policy and intelligence fiasco of monumental proportions."

Full Article

The article above indicates the pre-war CIA leaks regarding their doubts about Saddams arsenal of "WMD" were correct...and the Bush Junta chose to marginalize the CIA and DIA when they didn't toe the party line.

How about his grand standing in Poland?

Bush arrived in Poland and brought personal thanks to the country for standing up as a wartime ally in Iraq , making no effort to hide that he harbors a deep grudge toward France and Germany for opposing the U.S.-led campaign against Saddam Hussein. Bush defended Poland against criticism of its war support.

"I think it's unfortunate that some of the countries in Europe will try to bully Poland for standing up for what you think — what they think is right."

Can you believe the biggest bully on the planet calls other people a bully?
 
Spurious George, the blood-thirsty psychopath who rapes and murders smaller nations on the slightest of fabricated whims thinks that bullying other countries is the wrong thing to do.

Over the past two years your one of the guys that has continually shot me down when it wasn't possible to confirm speculation about Bush's character and lack of integrity...isn't your butt beginning to hurt from sitting on the fence yet?  

[crowMAW]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I see some moderate to heavy spin, some 'splainin' to a reporter, but I see no admission of lies.  I think you may be a little premature.

Quite right.  BTW, the full transcripts are available on the DoD website:

http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030509-depsecdef0223.html

Here is the unedited version of the relevant section:

Q: Was that one of the arguments that was raised early on by you and others that Iraq actually does connect, not to connect the dots too much, but the relationship between Saudi Arabia, our troops being there, and bin Laden's rage about that, which he's built on so many years, also connects the World Trade Center attacks, that there's a logic of motive or something like that? Or does that read too much into --

Wolfowitz: No, I think it happens to be correct. The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason, but -- hold on one second --

(Pause)

Kellems: Sam there may be some value in clarity on the point that it may take years to get post-Saddam Iraq right. It can be easily misconstrued, especially when it comes to --

Wolfowitz: -- there have always been three fundamental concerns. One is weapons of mass destruction, the second is support for terrorism, the third is the criminal treatment of the Iraqi people. Actually I guess you could say there's a fourth overriding one which is the connection between the first two. Sorry, hold on again.

Kellems: By the way, it's probably the longest uninterrupted phone conversation I've witnessed, so --

[/b]

It is hard to say if the interruption along with the insertion by another DoD official between the answers Wolfie gave may have contributed to the "misquote".  The reporter seems too intelligent to have made that kind of mistake, however.

BTW, I noted that several Senators from both sides of the aisle are calling for an investigation of the WMD intelligence that the Administration relied upon.  I was certainly surprised by that kind of bi-partisanship.

[Nash]

" I was certainly surprised by that kind of bi-partisanship."

Call it oversight.

edit - oops... I read yer post too quick. My reply makes no sense.

[Toad]

Well, Weaz, probably so.

But, like most people with a lick of common sense, he's probably also smart enough to realize that 30+ days is way to early to be making "liar" charges.

Especially since he's intimately familiar with the Iraqi desert, Iraqi deception maneuvers and undoubtedly knows some stuff he isn't posting here.

[weazel]

The Bush Junta has approximately 50% of the Iraqi regime in custody, (remember the deck of cards) most who will end up being tried for war crimes. Some of those people would sing like canaries for consideration of a lighter sentence.

I wonder why they're not talking...it's not like they have to worry about repercussions from Saddam anymore? ....Oh wait a second, just like WMD and OBL...the Bush Junta can't find Saddam either.

Either way, I can't buy the argument that WpnX knows where the WMD are stashed...it would be all over the headlines if any were found.  

Originally posted by Toad
Especially since he's intimately familiar with the Iraqi desert, Iraqi deception maneuvers and undoubtedly knows some stuff he isn't posting here.

[Dowding]

And you're intimately familiar with what he's intimately familiar with, Toad?

I'd call that a breach in security. Someone better get Langley on the phone, on the double. This trail of treachery and deceit must be followed up and those responsible punished!

[WpnX]

Originally posted by weazel
Either way, I can't buy the argument that WpnX knows where the WMD are stashed...it would be all over the headlines if any were found.  

Weazel,
I have never said that I know where the WMD are stashed.

And Dowding,
Don't ever accuse me of a breach of security. That is a very serious accusation and it pisses me off that you would suggest it! You need to re-read Toad's post, you are twisting his words just like you twist the President's and anyone else's who won't see things your way. Where in his post does it say I told him where WMD are located like you implied.

[Dowding]

That was a joke. I obviously wasn't seriously implying you were a traitor or Iraqi spy or that Toad was your handler.  

Also point to where I 'twisted the President's words'. Thanks.

[WpnX]

Dowding,
I'm not laughing. I don't mind that you disagree with my views and I think it's great that we all have different views and are free to express them; that's what makes this country great. Hell, I don't agree with everything weazel posts but I would drink beers with him and we would probably get along great. But, implying, even as a joke, that I said something that I didn't is B.S. and it pisses me off! It's one thing I take pretty serious.

If you want to discuss it as intelligent adults drop me an email. I won't take up any more space on this board with something that only involves you and I.

[weazel]

So says Colin Powell

So just what is the definition of "is"?  

Many of you guys are losing sight of the real issue here...the real issue here is lying and spinning by the administration in order to go to war.  

To illustrate the double standard the PC crowd is displaying:

"Substitute Bill Clinton for Bush over the past six months. What would TV talking heads be saying today?

William Kristol, Sean Hannity and the others would be demanding Clinton's impeachment. They would be screaming that there were no weapons of mass destruction and Clinton knew it. He lied to the U.N., to the American people, and he deliberately and unnecessarily placed American troops in harm's way."

Ed Garvey, The Capital Times (Madison, WI), May 13, 2003

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by weazel
The Bush Junta ...blah blah blah

Oh lookie...weazel is back...