Author Topic: I guess the IL2 developers never saw this.... (Read 2371 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **on:** June 10, 2003, 04:16:59 AM »

AT NIGHT!

Fishu · « **Reply #1 on:** June 10, 2003, 04:21:12 AM »

They've seen alot of Hollywood movies though..

Toad · « **Reply #2 on:** June 10, 2003, 06:43:28 AM »

Thanks Grun!

Bout time somebody showed the truth........ not that it will change anything.

straffo · « **Reply #3 on:** June 10, 2003, 06:52:54 AM »

It show 1/60 or less of the truth

Toad · « **Reply #4 on:** June 10, 2003, 07:08:46 AM »

It shows that muzzle flash isn't a ball of flame six feet in diameter.

I think light speed is still a touch faster than 1/60th.

straffo · « **Reply #5 on:** June 10, 2003, 07:13:05 AM »

Certainly ,but not knowing the sensibility of the film what can you deduce ?

Skuzzy · « **Reply #6 on:** June 10, 2003, 07:24:55 AM »

If that has not been touched up, you can make some logical deductions about the film.

The stars are showing in the background. If the film was a low speed film, this would not be possible, due to the bright flashes of the gun fire.
This is true as the F-stop for a low speed film would have to be opened up a bit, which would have caused the gun flashes to be much more pronounced than they are.
Also note, there is an external light source aimed at the fuselage. A low speed film would not have been able to show the background stars along with the other light sources.

I suggest this film was a high speed film, using a fairly open aperature. It nearly got washed out, as you can see from the amount of light on the fuselage from the gun fire.
This also suggests the gun flashes were actually smaller than they appear in this situation, and were exaggerated by the sensitivity of the film.

Gadfly · « **Reply #7 on:** June 10, 2003, 07:42:01 AM »

My understanding of the IL2 muzzle flash is that instead of making different graphics for all of the different times of day, they chose to use but one and settled for 7:00.

I do not know if that works out right, re: the photo above, but I DO know that just like the horrendus headshake in AH, you do not see the flashes after a short period of playing the game.

Suave · « **Reply #8 on:** June 10, 2003, 07:51:14 AM »

Skuzzy where did you learn PI ?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #9 on:** June 10, 2003, 07:51:37 AM »

But now we know thats too big even for the night...

Funny thing is the only planes I have ever seen have such hughr muzzle flashes as is normal in IL2 for all planes were russian airfraft with big cannon. You see soviet small cannon weapons were made with extremely loose tolerancse so they did indeed have big big flahes from all that unburnt propellant - however other nations weapons did not have this.

Hortlund · « **Reply #10 on:** June 10, 2003, 07:59:33 AM »

Well, if all you can complain about is the size of the muzzle-flashes, I'd say you've got a pretty good game/pretty big stick up your prettythang...

Russian · « **Reply #11 on:** June 10, 2003, 08:00:51 AM »

Why don't you show me actual footage? That photos looks......FAKE.

I've seen video of IL2 firing (23mm). Gun flash was BIGGER then in il2-FB.
I've seen video of P51 firing (6 50cal). Gun flashes were just like in IL2.
How about pictures of 88 firing? That gun flash is 10 meters high?
109 firing at night?

Do a little research before starting squeaking contest.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #12 on:** June 10, 2003, 08:03:45 AM »

That photo is real - but I guess the truth hurts...

The IL2 muzzle falsh in that video which I refered to also is accurate fot a 23mm soviet cannon which was built to loose tolerances and this was the case with postwar soviet cannon.

The P51 flashes in that color video are waaay smaller than 50 cal flamethrowere in Il2.

Yes I'm sure they did use 88mm artilery to model Il2 fighter muzzle flash - that point we agree on.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #13 on:** June 10, 2003, 08:05:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Well, if all you can complain about is the size of the muzzle-flashes, I'd say you've got a pretty good game/pretty big stick up your prettythang...

Yea IL2 is pretty good, but the flashes are horrible - imagine 6 foot solid orange fireballs for 20mm cannon...

Creamo · « **Reply #14 on:** June 10, 2003, 08:12:40 AM »

What I'd like to know is how the photographer got that shot.

Was he in a balloon at night and asked for a fly-by with full guns blazing?