Author Topic: 3 Months Passed. No WMD. 10Bears Wins Bet. (Read 2901 times)

Toad · « **Reply #45 on:** July 17, 2003, 03:09:35 PM »

Ummmm...

The wager was $45 to Ronald McDonald house. Rearranging the terms now to suit your current whim is bad form, old chum.

Is Mass in some sort of difficulty that paying is a problem for him? If so, I'll consider that.

A deal's a deal.... but then, somehow I'm not suprised at this from you.

culero · « **Reply #46 on:** July 17, 2003, 03:16:24 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Don't you mean ESAD? FOAD sounds like a rather pleasant way to go.

Good point

I can only plead that I was struck senseless by the irony of seeing a German say "Sorry, I can`t take a country seriously whose leader takes it to war on unchecked allegations."

culero (thx for the tip, BTW)

10Bears · « **Reply #47 on:** July 17, 2003, 03:31:25 PM »

Ok I need your email address tho.

Chicking around in your profile I can't find it.. Need to give you my mailing addr. and that.

Putting the money on Mass's account is a way of burying the hatchet so to speak, I'm tired of this whole debate.

You know if he lied what needs to happen.. I don't need to tell you that.. You were in the service.. little brothers dying every day and there needs to be a stop to that. At the same time pull back in a way that saves face.

My suggestion was to not start it in the first place.. but of course I was shouted down.

Dowding · « **Reply #48 on:** July 17, 2003, 03:48:27 PM »

What's a Ronald McDonald house? Some kind of charity that McDonalds contributes to?

Surely not a bunch of happy meals?

StSanta · « **Reply #49 on:** July 17, 2003, 03:50:56 PM »

You chaps think Bush will face the same stiff criticism as Blair? So far he's gotten off comparatively lightly compared to Blair, but there are things brewing it seems.

What development are you foreseeing should WMDs not be found and further reports be shown to be greatly exaggerated?

It's hard to objectively argue 'it's there but we just haven't found it', just as it is hard to argue 'you haven't found it because it doesn't exist'.

He did have some, provided to him by the US in the 80s and used against Kurds. My best guess would be that what he had left was destroyed either just prior to the conflict or more likely during the 'fog of war' that comes with major combat.

We'll see.

Toad · « **Reply #50 on:** July 17, 2003, 03:54:32 PM »

Sent you the E-Mail via your profile. Let me know if you didn't get it.

Best way to end the wager is follow the terms of the wager, I'd think. You know... do what was agreed, be a man of your word. The whole responsibility/accountability aspect of life.

Yeah, if he lied, I'd vote to impeach, wouldn't you? Oh, wait... no you wouldn't.

He'll be replaced at the next election if the Iraq invasion was a put up job. I have that much faith in the public. OTOH, like I said, 90 days is a pretty short of a complete and 100% correct"after action summary".

You weren't shouted down. You had your say, I assume you wrote you US Representatives and Senators and then the system functioned.

Or did you want to go to a system where it's a "pure" democracy and every single voter votes on every single issue?

devious · « **Reply #51 on:** July 17, 2003, 04:01:27 PM »

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Originally posted by culero
Good point

I can only plead that I was struck senseless by the irony of seeing a German say "Sorry, I can`t take a country seriously whose leader takes it to war on unchecked allegations."

culero (thx for the tip, BTW)

*Plonk*

Skuzzy · « **Reply #52 on:** July 17, 2003, 04:04:37 PM »

Read about the Ronald McDonald house here

They do a lot of good things for ill children and parents of ill children, among many other things.

culero · « **Reply #53 on:** July 17, 2003, 04:09:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
What's a Ronald McDonald house? Some kind of charity that McDonalds contributes to?

Its a REALLY worthy private charity.

All over the nation, Ronald McDonald houses are setup within the vicinity of hospitals. People from out of town who have loved ones in those hospitals may stay at a Ronald McDonald house free of charge. There are communal kitchen facilities, and an onsite manager who will arrange local transportation as necessary, etc.

When our grandson was born (2 pound premie) my wife was able to stay directly across the street from the hospital (1000+ miles from our home) at a Ronald McDonald house for over a month. We were not only much better able to afford her being there in that time of need, but Rebecca had a built-in support group there amongst the other people there for similar reasons. It was a real Godsend.

culero

culero · « **Reply #54 on:** July 17, 2003, 04:12:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Read about the Ronald McDonald house here

They do a lot of good things for ill children and parents of ill children, among many other things.

Wow, the scope's even wider than I was aware. Thx Skuzzy.

culero

Toad · « **Reply #55 on:** July 17, 2003, 04:13:51 PM »

Yep, RMH is a pure good deal. One of the few and ya gotta know 'em when ya see 'em.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #56 on:** July 17, 2003, 04:15:58 PM »

Really is a heck of an organization.

Dowding · « **Reply #57 on:** July 17, 2003, 04:21:36 PM »

A worthy institution to lose a bet to. Nice one.

Steve · « **Reply #58 on:** July 17, 2003, 04:40:16 PM »

Devious quote: "In short I see liars, dilletancy, and greed for power. And an american people so dumbed down they don`t even object."

This last sentence is infuriating. Here you go, making very generalized and racist comments about our populace.
Let me educate you on the mindset of the majority of the populace here Devious, although you seem perfectly content to make foolish presumptions with little information and from several thousand miles away: The hardline democrats have no solid agenda to push so they are taking every chance to discredit the current administration, thus they are crying "foul" over the WMD issue. The bulk of the populace, dems and repubs alike are still willing to give our government the time to find the WMD's. In short, the wise feel it is too early to "object". We're not "dumb", we're still waiting. You can rest asssured though, most grossly uninformed person, that if it indeed turns out that the administration was deliberately misleading us, both dem and repub alike will be calling for Bush's head. Politcal leanings will mostly be tossed aside if it does indeed turn out that we were purposefully misled. Funny though, when it was proven that Clinton was a cook and an adulterer, the far left made any number of excuses to justify the immorality of Bill. These same fools are screaming for Bush's head before the jury is out... typical left foolishness. The difference is, the right will not stand for that type of behavior in our leader, we will turn our backs on Bush if he was wagging the dog.

devious · « **Reply #59 on:** July 17, 2003, 05:37:17 PM »

Steve,

I don`t mean to label all americans as dumb. "The americans" don`t exist, as "the germans" or "the jews" or "the women" don`t. The general public seems to be *dumb* in the sense they eat all the bull**** the administration feeds them. It`s not only alleged WMD, it`s Total Information Awareness, it`s The Responsibilities of Freedom, it`s Project New American Century, it`s The War On Terrorism (err you can`t declare war on individuals...), it`s having a president that through his contacts manipulated the ballot (right word?).

Where`s the pressure ? A (post-WW2) german politician`s days in office would`ve been over long ago.

Note I also think the germans are dumb. Breaking their own civil rights (see flight passenger data sent to the US - plainly in violation of our rights), hailing surveillance measures just like "the americans".

I don`t want blind, agenda-driven protest. I`m missing guys who SPEAK THE F**K UP and DEMAND EXPLANATIONS other than "I didn`t read the dossier" or "I don`t recall" (like our beloved Chancellor Kohl)

Someone who leads a country to war by basically repeating over and over again reasons that are later found to be in fact fabricated --- nonwithstanding the fact Saddam needed to be removed, and he worked on WMD (with, shamefully, german technology) --- should be out of office in a hurry. EVEN if they find WMD later.

I would have had no objection to a line like "we got to stop this mass-murdering dictator". But "WMD ready at a 45 minutes notice" were clearly a lie.

And accepting such a charade is *dumb*. So to clear it up: If I say "the americans are dumb enough...." I don`t pick upon thinking individuals. I`m about a quiet, *dumb* mass that wouldn`t speak up when THEY - the administration - would deport blacks (or whites or jews), wage war, build concentration camps, steal billions of tax dollars or marks, undermine civil rights and so on.

It`s not even the Bush administration preaching war on fabricated facts when they could have had a good real reason - it`s that they believe (and probably rightly so) THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH IT. Believing the *dumb* masses won`t speak up and make like they didn`t notice beeing lied to.