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Offline Scootter

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« Reply #75 on: July 18, 2003, 08:31:45 AM »
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Looks like the UN got the job done though ...



Really in what way?

What evidence of the mass disarmament did the find, did they find buried chems. nope

Did they find the equipment used to make the weapons, that there is no question they used, nope
Did they find records to support the distraction of weapons? nope
Did they get proof of complete disarmament as required by 19 UN requirements?...nope
Did the UN ever say they have proved their disarmament...nope

Did the UN ever once claim they got the job done? nope

So you make this simple statement "Looks like the UN got the job done " and even the UN says they did not. What does that make your statement ?    

answer .... a lie?

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« Reply #76 on: July 18, 2003, 08:50:20 AM »
Considering the amount of "released intelligence" thrown about before the war to prove the existance of that WMD (eg. Powell's presentation at the SC), and now just to accept the Allied military cannot inspect sites based on all this intelligence at will is unacceptable, and to deny that is stupidity of the highest order.

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Let's not forget that it was the UN that said Iraq was not in compliance with it's disarmament obligations. Why is it that the UN agreed Saddam probably had WMD, but now everyone is pointing the finger at the US for lying about them?

The UN's last resolution says it all, only the UN was and is incapable of acting to back up  it's words.


The UN didn't fully agree with military action, or the SC would've past the last aborted resolution spelling out in plain language the need for military action.
The basis of the UN resolutions (ie. 1441) bandied about as the legal basis for the war was WMD. To turn up nothing, when we should've been swimming in the stuff should concern anyone.

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What's a Ronald McDonald house? Some kind of charity that McDonalds contributes to?


I thought McD house was where ever McD's was, like in this country.

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« Reply #77 on: July 18, 2003, 09:37:38 AM »
Uh Toad, with all due respect....

1. You're wrong. Writing the letters was always part of it, you just threw in the money because you said you'd be doing the writing anyways, so I might as well take it. It was originally 3 months, but I offered 6 months when I saw you tell 10B that despite you giving him 3 months, you weren't all that comfortable with it. It's six months, it's the writing... and your call - but it's also the 15 bucks.

2. I don't recall you giving a difinitive answer here - but fine. If you don't want to share your words with the gang here, so be it.

3. Wrong again. I said I'd give the money to Straffo - he turned it down saying to give it to charity instead. So I reckon that reverts back to me 'cause I'll decide what to do with the spoils of the bet I made with you, thanks. Don't lecture me like you did with 10B on what I want to do with it.

Kinda sucks that you're basically now saying that the writing is going to be toothless. Nothing I can do about that, obviously... though not quite what I thought I was signing up for, either.

But christ Toad -  what's with the tone of your post?

"Gentleman"? "Control your greed"? "Man of your word"? Holy toejam Toad, spare me. And where the hell is this coming from?

Just because you lost one bet and you may lose another, well... You're sure getting, uhm... like... litigious or stickler-like allah-sudden. Or plain weird. It's just a bet... Lighten up. If you go back and read my posts you'll see I've been pretty loose with the terms as far as I'm concerned.

Whew... shreck me... :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: July 18, 2003, 10:05:27 AM by Nash »

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« Reply #78 on: July 18, 2003, 10:15:08 AM »
Look, I'm not going to go search all day nailing down exactly what was said by day/time group...

but here's a couple for you:

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Nash:

"Now, if it gets into the 6 months or a year range...."

That works for me too Toad. The point is whether they're there or not... not how fast the team can dig them up. It's along the same lines as the "reasonable people can conclude" thing (wrt the WMD)... which you were fair with. So lets use the same standard for the timing as well.



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Nash:

Speaking of the French... just give the month to straffo. Poor guy has taken enough abuse over this entire thing I figure..


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Toad:

Done.

Straffo is your charity
. WpnX is mine.


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Straffo: Nash I prefer you to give money to Handicap International or MSF.


No further posts by you after you named Straffo. No further posts by you after Straffo deferred to charity. No "reckoning" needed.

You gave the month to Straffo and never rescinded that. That, as you will see if you look at the thread, is what I agreed to do: give the month to Straffo. (Three months actually... $45, same as WpnX would/will get.)

If he doesn't want it, that isn't your or my problem.. that was the bet.

I'd say by the terms of our bet, mutually agreed, that I should send the money to Straffo's AH account for 3 "free" months.

However, as a courtesy, I would let him send it to charity, either himself or I'll do it for him.


Perhaps he takes PayPal. Let him use it to light a cigar. It's HIS money. You gave it to him, I agreed to that and it never changed.

Letter writing? Yeah, it was in there. I'll write a letter to the Prez  and appropriate House/Senate represenatives. I'll write what I feel at that stage of the investigation. That will fulfill the requirement and I do recall saying I'd send YOU a copy which would not be for further dissemination. There's no point in posting it here as there wouldn't really be any rational replies to what is basically my opinon. It'd just be another flamefest. Yawn.

I will therfore NOT be required to send you the one I'll be sending in the Spring time frame when I'll REALLY be pissed if no WMD have turned up.

It will be as you have chosen though. What I was expecting was that you'd want the really nasty letter. However, your eager anticipation seems to require something more immediate in the way of gratification, so you may have the much more sanguine version. If you win.

YOU are picking what you perceive to be "the toothless version." You have no idea what I'm going to say but you've already determined it will be "toothless".  I said, and any review of the discussion will show, that I'll be outraged in "six months to a year." Did we agree that you would write the content or edit for me? I don't remember that.........

Well, it's 3 months now, you haven't won yet and you may or may not win. We'll see.

But I can tell you now that in six months I'll be much more suspicious but I almost certainly..... without further "suprise" revelations in the news... won't be outraged enough to send the letter you apparently crave until late Spring...about a year.

Which is totally consistent with what I said all along.

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But christ Toad -  what's with the tone of your post?


Yeah, Nash. $90 is just life and death for me.. it's losing the money. My life is over if I lose these two wagers. Why.. that's about... 13 six packs of the Boulevard Pale Ale I drink. The end is near.

I guess you're just a bit too eager for my taste here. A bit like the local undertaker measuring me up as I drink at the bar with friends.

You post the time limit's up for 10Bears bet and here we are 1/2 way through our time limit and you're telling me what you expect in my letter to my reps?

Yeah... I think it's the blatant overeager noodlesure attitude that leaves a bad taste.
« Last Edit: July 18, 2003, 10:23:50 AM by Toad »
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« Reply #79 on: July 18, 2003, 10:33:30 AM »
LOL - Why do you even care who I give the money to, if I give it to anyone at all? Hilarious. Like you said, no response from me after Straffo turned it down... now ya want to hold me to something? toejam... fine, send the money where ya want. Or KEEP it...

In fact, unless I lose, forget the whole thing. This thing just got shrecking weird in about 2 seconds flat and for the life of me I can't figure out why. What's happenin' here? Did you take offence to something I said somewhere or something?

This is stupid. If it's too much for ya, count me out. I'm not gonna bicker with you over this crap. Do whatever the hell you want.



too shreckin strange...

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« Reply #80 on: July 18, 2003, 10:37:24 AM »
Heh!  I think you two should duel with flintlock pistols like real men.  As it is, you come off as a couple of eunuchs engaged in a limp-wristed slapping match.

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« Reply #81 on: July 18, 2003, 10:39:46 AM »
Because a deal's a deal? A bet's a bet? Responsibility/Accountability?

You see what you offered and what I agreed to do. Why would you want to change that now?

When the result is determined, that's what should/will be done.
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« Reply #82 on: July 18, 2003, 10:40:33 AM »
Stop that Lance.. or I'll smack ya with my beaded purse.
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« Reply #83 on: July 18, 2003, 10:45:24 AM »
Let sort this out : if anyone give me money I'll give it back to Handicap International.
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« Reply #84 on: July 18, 2003, 10:55:44 AM »
I would honor that as a courtesy to you. If I lose.
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« Reply #85 on: July 18, 2003, 11:03:31 AM »
sure, fine, whatever...

You do whatever you have it in your mind that this bet entails, as you see it. I am faaaar from going to engage you in this "man of your word, eh?" type chit. It's coming from out of nowhere and is slightly too highschool for my tastes. I'm quite suprised at you.

End of discussion from over here. Whatever you end up doing is what you think this bet is about, and you won't get an argument from me.

edit: Oh I see you two have worked out where the money goes should *I* win the bet. :rolleyes: Hehe, like I said... do whatever ya want.
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« Reply #86 on: July 18, 2003, 11:10:49 AM »
Hehe..This thread is just a prelude to what's going to hit the fan next election.
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« Reply #87 on: July 18, 2003, 11:12:27 AM »
I'm thinking of  Handicap International because I know their work  and because I've lost a close friend who was defusing a mine.

But any other charity would be ok for me , I don't know if it's easy to give them money from non-european country.

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« Reply #88 on: July 18, 2003, 11:13:14 AM »
To me it was a money bet, just like the one with 10B, with the letter I would write "in six months to a year" copied to you as a courtesy/freebie.

To you it was obviously about the letter I would write with the money as a secondary consideration.

If you win, I'll satisfy both of your perceptions of the bet.

If I win, just do what you said you'd do and what I agreed to accept.

Simple, eh?

Obviously not.

Like I said before if they're "no show" in Spring, I'll be major pissed. Right now, I'm patient.
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« Reply #89 on: July 18, 2003, 11:16:41 AM »
And I assure you, you can't be more suprised at this than I am. Funny how perception changes.
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