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« Reply #45 on: September 18, 2003, 05:53:55 PM »
I guess europeans work to live and americans live to work.
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« Reply #46 on: September 19, 2003, 12:06:05 AM »
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I guess europeans work to live and americans live to work.


unfortunatetly thats true more often than not.  well over half the guys I work with devoted so much time and energy on their career that they lose their familys.

it's depressing and sad to watch a guy bust his butt all day at work, thinking he's doing it for his family, but in the end he's just suporting his wife and kids after they move on and find another guy.  not that there is anything wrong with hard work or taking pride in doing a good job, but when guys think that working hard and making more money is the most important thing they can do for their family it's not going to work out well (unless of course you have no kids and the wife is just a money grubbing tramp who only married you to get at your wallet)

even worse then them are the poor bastards who sacrificed everything to get ahead at work, and when they get to their older years they are alone and have nothing.  they are not as common as the others but much worse.  they turn in to these sad little men who will stab anyone in the back and kiss any prettythang to get ahead at work, they have to be important at work, because they are nobody when they leave.  

the real hell of it is those guys often make it quite far in companys (do to their complete lack of limits, and nothing better to do but work),  they then expect everybody else to care as much as they do.  work should never be the most important thing on your list of priority (doesn't even make the top 10).  it's just a tool to get the things you need to take care of the things that really matter.

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« Reply #47 on: September 19, 2003, 01:31:21 AM »
I liked my holidays as a european worker, and If the americans like their working hours I really dont see a problem here ?

I usually had 3 weeks at summer and fixed the other 2 weeks with easter and christmas so i got longer periods off then.
I also had a choice to work in holidays if i wanted, but I only did that when i was younger, and or felt that i needed the money.
That did not happen many times cause i managed on my basic job.

Now im styding and have even longer holidays lol :D (too much)
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« Reply #48 on: September 19, 2003, 02:11:34 AM »
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I guess europeans work to live and americans live to work.


Put me down for the Work to live catagory...

I´m always amazed at lottery winners etc who goes back to work after the big win... :eek:
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« Reply #49 on: September 19, 2003, 02:39:30 AM »
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I´m always amazed at lottery winners etc who goes back to work after the big win...


ya, I can never understand that.  and it's not like they go back to a good job ("good job" =  you'd do even if you didn't get paid), it's always some mind numbing production job or the like.

I may not know exactly what I'd do with my time wher I to have enough cash not to have to worry about it,  but I do have a fairly comprehensive list of things I'm never doing again.

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« Reply #50 on: September 19, 2003, 02:57:18 AM »
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but I do have a fairly comprehensive list of things I'm never doing again.


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« Reply #51 on: September 19, 2003, 04:50:57 AM »
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How much tax do you pay on gasoline? How about the scandanavians, how much did that new 1.8 liter car cost you $60,000, $65,000?
You're asking about Scandinavia, but I'll add a few comments here.

I personally think the current Labour government's attitude to motorists concerning taxation on road fuel is outrageous. Same thing applies to all previous Labour governments. Their policy of escalating the cost of road fuel at 6% above the level of inflation had to be abandoned three years ago, having led to a massive public revolt against road fuel costs, organised by some Welsh farmers. The real rub is the cost of diesel - cheaper than gasoline in most countries to reflect lower production costs - but more expensive in Britain. That's because a Labour chancellor saw the growing popularity of diesel powered cars, and the lower cost coupled with the fact that many cars do 1½ times the mileage on the same quantity of diesel meant that people were not paying as much tax. Labour decided they could pay more, so increased the cost of diesel to what it is now - about 80p per litre. But if you go down to the local boat yard, you can buy diesel for about 35p per litre. But there are big fines for using non-road fuel in road vehicles.

As for cars, my 2.8 cost me about £20,000. That was just after VW reduced its UK price by about £3000 because people were going to Europe to buy cars. Holland has a high purchase tax on cars, so the car producers have to price cars at levels which the Dutch motorist is able and willing to pay. But the British can go there to buy a car, and not have to pay the tax - so there are deals to be had. I chose not to buy mine in Europe (long story) but a close friend of mine bought his Ford Focus 1.6 in Holland, and paid about £10,000.

But Grun has a point. A long time ago, I hired a Chevrolet Caprice Classic in Florida. I was an enormous car - 16' in length. It was so comfortable it felt like driving a bed! The automatic transmission selector was column mounted and the floor was flat, so the car could seat six easily, and could accommodate 4 suitcases in the trunk. It had air conditioning, a radio/cassette system (this was 1990), safety features like airbags, electric windows, power brakes and power steering. The gas tank capacity was 23 gallons! :eek: Price then for this car was $16,000. At that time in Britain, the same money would have bought a Vauxhall Cavalier L model - only 4 seats, manual gears, smaller boot, basic radio if any, wind-up windows, no power steering, no servo assisted brakes, no air conditioning. A much smaller car.

But there have been reforms. Back then the car industry operated a cartel. Now you can buy a car at a supermarket almost. A Renault Laguna 1.8 here was about £12,000 at a time when the same car could be bought in Denmark for £6000 - because of not having to pay the Danish purchase tax. The car makers and dealers don't like the fact that they can no longer rip us off the way they did in the past. :lol
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« Reply #52 on: September 19, 2003, 05:36:32 AM »
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So paying enormous European taxes to subsidize unproductive lazy assoles is freedom?  How much tax do you pay on gasoline? How about the scandanavians, how much did that new 1.8 liter car cost you $60,000, $65,000?



ohh yes lol :D in Norway a average 1.8l car (japanese) cost about 250000kr (about 33000$) The car taxes her is far beyond reality vs lets say sweden that have about 30% less car taxes than us.

Then again a low paid work as a floor cleaner at a hospital should be around 28000$ a year.
I think i remember that the average yearly pay was about  38000$ a year+/-.

income tax is about 33 % but usually lower cause we put of the intrest on our house loand so a average income tax should be aroun 25-28% depending on how big loans we have.

We have very high taxes on alcohol and tobacco, but hell that is not food for living is it :D
example 20 pack with sigaretts = 8.50 $
1 bottle with cognac 3 stars = 42.5$

We also have the socalled enviorment tax on gas that gives us 1.3$ pr. litre of gasoline.

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« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2003, 09:13:06 AM »
A reason I don't have a car....

In Finland the drivers license alone costs from quickly estimated  +800€

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« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2003, 09:22:49 AM »
JEEZ I can go get a 1.8 liter care for under 10 grand here. And then only pay about $30-$40 a month in gas, and I drive 100+ miles everyday.

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« Reply #55 on: September 19, 2003, 09:23:11 AM »
I don't envy americans as things are good (in some ways even better) here.

What good is your money if you live in a zoo full of crackheads?

Better yet, if you want money, start a private enterprise and earn it like me. No need to go to US for that you know.

Oh, as a bonus, as a european you won't have to worry about every raghead in the planet wanting to kill you. :eek:

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« Reply #56 on: September 19, 2003, 09:48:10 AM »
Drivers licence, first and second "stages" = 1200$

Buy a car, new budget sedan with 1.6l engine is about 20 000$. All lux stripped away of course, even the windows might be crank models if its technically possible. MOST of the new cars in Finland are like this, no leather seats, no air conditioning, no aluminium wheels etc.

Insurance varies a lot, average might be 400$ annual.

Annual car tax is 100$.

Gasoline tax is about 75%, one litre = 1.2$.

You can imagine how expensive it is to have 2 cars and 3 kids to drive around. This just for the luxury of having combustion engine on wheels in your garage.


The joys of socialism, ****ty cars, poor food and outrageous booze prizes (4$ per litre).

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« Reply #57 on: September 19, 2003, 10:10:24 AM »
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The joys of socialism, ****ty cars, poor food and outrageous booze prizes (4$ per litre).

What's wrong with the food in Finland?

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« Reply #58 on: September 19, 2003, 11:15:18 AM »
rofl,  I dont use my car more than 3 hours a week, getting from a to b. that is no big deal. My average gas cost never go over 50$ a month and that is no big deal.

I use my legs getting to the campus and back,  that cost me 20 min a day each way and a little breath.

alcohol and tobacco ? Well if youre stupid enoght to get addicted of it you gonna have to stay the pain paying for it :D

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« Reply #59 on: September 19, 2003, 11:21:54 AM »
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rofl,  I dont use my car more than 3 hours a week, getting from a to b. that is no big deal. My average gas cost never go over 50$ a month and that is no big deal.

I use my legs getting to the campus and back,  that cost me 20 min a day each way and a little breath.

alcohol and tobacco ? Well if youre stupid enoght to get addicted of it you gonna have to stay the pain paying for it :D



im 45 miles one way to work...