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Offline Toad

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« Reply #60 on: September 19, 2003, 04:53:20 PM »
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I have no need to bring my true nationality in the discussion since I live in a country that has always minded its own matters and relying on good relationships and neutrality. We didn't ask or take anything from other countries or force ourselves over others.



Ah, you're from the only country on earth that is pure as the driven snow, eh?

:D

But you can't name it?

:D :D

Because you just can't tell us?

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« Reply #61 on: September 19, 2003, 04:54:45 PM »
Iraq was about more than just about Iraq

it sent a message to every country around it

do you think they got the message of this admin?

I do
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« Reply #62 on: September 19, 2003, 04:56:38 PM »
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You say you did the WORLD a favour. How so? The WMD is still missing somewhere. How was he a threat? I'm sure a better guess would be you went there to do your oil reserves a favour.

I have no need to bring my true nationality in the discussion since I live in a country that has always minded its own matters and relying on good relationships and neutrality. We didn't ask or take anything from other countries or force ourselves over others.

It's called peaceful living.


I thought the WMDs did not exist? Read my post again, please. How long, Siaf, before SH DID develop WMDs if he did not do so already? I ask you this question directly. Can you honestly sit there and say that he would not have given said weapons to the highest bidder?

Please answer my questions.

If the answer is in the affirmtive, then you must realize that he was a threat to the World. Not the western world, but the world as a whole. He was a military power with the 4th largest army and an agressive weapins program. This is not some BS Somali Warlord with a few RPGs in his tent.

AS for your country, why don't you share it with us. Tell us where this Utopia is, so we may model ourselves after the "Peaceful living" you have achieved. Perhaps the US is not the only country with stained hands, eh? Perhaps yours are not so clean as well.

Did your Utopia stand idley by as the Nazi's Goose stepped all over Europe? Is that what you call minding your own business? Possibly, but we hear in the US have a word for people who are don't make the hard choices, who don't face true evil....

I think you know what it is.

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« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2003, 05:02:15 PM »
Well I see you understand my point now since your ignoring it:)


Guys!

I know his country!


It's right near happyland and south of Ihaveaclueland.

I think it is called

Imatoolland.

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« Reply #64 on: September 19, 2003, 05:07:32 PM »
Muck: Trust me, there are several countries on this planet that have a clean record when it comes to international affairs.

I just won't bring it up as it is not the issue here.
The discussion is about your agressive foreign policies. If the offensive would have had UN approval or it would have been clear self defense (as I managed to swallow the afghanistan offensive) I'd be just fine with it.

Eagler: The message was probably heard on government level. As with organisational level (terrorism) the message was probably a good recruit poster for future generations. The region was wary about your intentions to start with. The humiliation of the arab world can lead to serious side-effects I'm afraid.

You know THOSE guys really think you're the great satan (and I think I belong in the same ballpark in their eyes.)

And Btw Toad nice smileys.

Oh, and Gtora silence doesn't mean approval. I fail to see the importance of your presidential elections in this matter. The same guy was ruling at the other end during the years. The same officials were in power. The machine is the same - only goals change. You fail to see it.. If you train a pitbull to attack your neighbour and then blame it for biting your guest.. well you figure it out. Whose at fault? The dog with a bad temper or the person who feeds the dog and it's agressive behaviour?
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« Reply #65 on: September 19, 2003, 05:19:52 PM »
So your saying nothing has changed since WW2 then and we should be held in contemp for helping the USSR?

The U.S. foreign policy changes with the President. It is far from the same administration now. Or are you one of the Black helicopter, its all one evil government and elections don’t mean anything crowd.


You have lost just about all your meager credibility by not saying where you are from.

You are blaming the current admin for the errors of a past admin, and justifing it by saying welll it was the US that did it.

That's like today the US is bad cause Russia killed tons of Poles durring the war and we gave them the trucks to do it.

I am betting Canada.
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« Reply #66 on: September 19, 2003, 05:39:39 PM »
Gtora you fail to see the connection. IF your country would have supplied the trucks KNOWING they will be used for crimes against humanity and then later accusing the very people they knowingly helped for doing the same thing again.. that would be hypocracy.

That was clearly not the case during WW2.

If history would be as short as one period of elections, things would be awfully easy and comfortable for all war criminals.

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« Reply #67 on: September 19, 2003, 05:45:14 PM »
Anyway it's getting painfully obvious that you guys are living at your private world where outside influence has little effect.

I get the feeling of banging my head to the wall - and there's no point to continue.

Thanks for all the good comments on this discussion.

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« Reply #68 on: September 19, 2003, 05:51:02 PM »
You are not making a lot of sense.

You are saying A: the US was bad and made Sadam.

You are saying B: the US is bad for taking sadam out while saying he is evil and we created him.

You are saying c: the current admin is hypocritical and wrong because they are oposing a dictator another admin supported.

Ultimatly you are saying we are getting what we deserve when a US service man dies "HA HA HA you suck and made your bed now lie in it bad bad Americans?"

What is your point? The US is bad and you think the war was wrong? the Iraqis are worse of now? The U.S is bad cause there are no WDMS?  


Your saying we should have left him alone to play his endless games with the U.N? If that had happend I am sure we would be right at the same spot we where at before the war.  Sadam in power, and no proof of destroyed WDMs, and a UN with it's thumb up is arse.
I agree with Toad on the WDMs, I think anyone who thinks 5 months is long enough to find something Sadam had 12 years to hide is frankly a fool.
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« Reply #69 on: September 19, 2003, 05:51:39 PM »
you ought to shut your hole siaf.  you say nothing here thats even worth a good pummeling.  punk
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« Reply #70 on: September 19, 2003, 06:13:09 PM »
Just wanted to make history by joining a thread in which I could agree with Mr. Toad. :)

Monk is right - you should run for office; I have already told you that, but LOL the reason why you didn't. :D

Yes, the infrastructure rebuild will take time, but there's no doubt that Iraq is better off now than it was under SH.

Damage caused by US bombs will take months or years to repair - much longer than it took to inflict. See - they do have it modelled correctly in AH!  ;)

Still, I agree with Siaf in other threads, and he has the balls to say what he believes. Whether or not you agree with it does not detract from the praiseworthiness of its being said in the first place.  Some of you ask where Siaf is from. The way he describes it sounds like Switzerland - am I close?

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« Reply #71 on: September 19, 2003, 06:17:22 PM »
He's hiding his nationality because it's easier to throw stones that way.

Beyond that, IF what he says were true, it also means his illustrious country has managed to stand clear when other nations struggled and sacrificed against truly evil regimes for the sake of all.

But maybe, just maybe, his country was able to profiteer by selling supplies to one or both sides... with antiseptically clean hands, of course.

Perhaps like the Swedes and their iron ore or the Swiss with their banks full of Nazi gold.

He's not worth killing another electronic ink, for sure.
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« Reply #72 on: September 19, 2003, 06:49:53 PM »
I dont even know what to say in response to siaf's comments about his little magical country... :rofl

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« Reply #73 on: September 19, 2003, 06:52:33 PM »
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Beetle I like you a lot and look forwoard to meeting meeting you soon, but seriously are you really that uninformed about the Swiss? Have you no clue how close the Swiss were to the Nazi government and how much looted Nazi gold (as in smelted from gold teeth) they hold in their banks to this day?

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« Reply #74 on: September 19, 2003, 07:06:24 PM »
Maybe we oughta cut Siaf a little slack. He's probably just ashamed of his country. Hey, there can be only one number one. ;)
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