New arena format Part 2 - Use this thread, don't open duplicates

[FALCONWING]

oops forgot dog398 who is also slycer

beagle if if orgot him onother list

also some new bops i forgot would be gghost and phenom

jpeg too if i forgot him
thrila..miss spork...but he has been MIA


Want to do this with how many bishops i can name?

[Jolly]

Originally posted by hitech
FALCONWING: Ask your self one question.

How many members of your squad can you personaly name with out looking at the squad roster.

Well Hitech, I am Jolly31 of the 31st bomber barons. We have a squad over your limit of 32 players. However to support our players who can't play ever day we broke down into 3 squad and had many full time players join the squads to have room to grow.

The names without squad roster.

GMC, ADog, Kudzu, Chief, TD, TC, Blackcloud, MrStick, Zeek, Phantomz, Brick, Memen, Reaper, Raptor, Grayhawk, Slopoke, Casey, Mars, JAG, jason.

We have many more part time players, who are your paying customers.

We have about 40 players in all, so you want us to disband and only make one squad and let our part time members go, when the main thing they logon for is to fly with squad.

HOW ABOUT A DEAL HITECH, KEEP THE SQUAD SIZE THE SAME, YOU JUST MOVE HALF OF YOUR OFFICE STAFF TO ANOTHER BUILDING AND YOU CAN'T TALK TO THEM.

That is what the squad size limit is doing to any group over 32 players in the game.

Jolly

[Jolly]

Way to go  FALCONWING, HITECH does not seem to understand that a larger part of playing ACII is being in a group, a squad and enjoying the friendship that brings.

Take that away and this game is not worth $15 a month.

Jolly

[Mugzeee]

Hell, i coulda named at least 1/3rd of that list and i have never been a BOP's member.

[hubsonfire]

I think HT just got you guys to emphasize his point.

[999000]

<-------- 999   Slaps Falconwing on the back!...By the way Falconwing is one of those respect guys who is very fun to fly with or against! and adds positivity to the game!
999000

[hitech]

FALCONWING: So you are so close to your squad members that you could only name about 1/2 of them.

Jolly: I understand about flying with a group of friends.

Let see, the friends I made flying 16 years ago are still my absolute closest.

And quite frankly thinking I do not is almost an insult after having created 2 online games and communities.

And quite frankly friends and community is the main point of the down sizeing of arena.

When you can only name 1/2 your squad, I would have to say, that there realy is no way the other 1/2 could be considered friends, wrather only people you have met occasionaly.  

And that is the main issue we are trying to address.

The cause of many issures were created by us not limiting arena sizes sooner. Lets take a look back and see some changes we made to AH do to trying to create a bigger arena.

1. Channel 1.
   Because of the population people started to have the anoumous feel like a big city. This removes most of the pier pressure /self regulation that smaller groups have.

2. We created larger maps because things were just to congested on smaller ones.

   To decongest we had to make more points of attack. Well this sounds all well and good, the effect is that it would always create areas that were undefended. Now because of bigger population bigger groups formed. And they would go attack the undefended places. Hence the creation of the "Horde syndrome".
  With smaller maps and smaller groups, individuals could get several friends and have an effect on the group attacks.  With attack groups numbering 50 or more, small groups defending can't even offer resistance and so they don't bother.One person can no longer create an adhock  response to defend, so none even tries.

3. We eliminated kill messages just do to text trafic overload.
   This delays a new comer from his first "Reward/congratlations" that is always a good motivator.

5. We implement monitor-players because once again, we crossed a threshhold of community VS self regulation.

6. We implemented a reporting system because once again to big of numbers, no self regulation.

7. We implemented ENY, once again, to big of numbers, no self regulation.

8. I stoped doing admin Q&A sessions in the arena, just to many people to begin to keep up.

In conclusion.
When we started this game we knew  that  ,if we succeded at it, we would eventulay have to break up arenas, weather at 200, 500, 750 or 1000th or even more.

What we did not know, because we hadn't tried before was, where was the max arena size that worked.

We now have a pretty good guess of the limits.

HiTech

[DipStick]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
I think HT just got you guys to emphasize his point.

Hehehe... he's smarter than the average bear --- booboo.

[airspro]

Well i have stayed off the boards for about 4 days and the same guys are insulting in here..let me address some concepts here....

That's very well said imo  

Wonder what the new players think of this ?

I was going to write more but deleted it . Why bother

[999000]

edbert, Your right I  said several but not all Bk's your not one of them....But please explain to me how I don't play nice??
The horde, dweeb planes, vulchers,  porkers,  gv guys fighter jocks etc none of that bothers me.....What bothers me is when someone else tries to tell anyone else that they are playing the game wrong!!!!ie not their way!
Sir 999000

[999000]

<--- 999000 Really beginning to think that Hitech is a BK!
Sir Hitech.......I know..... I'll go suck and egg...I'm actually considering buying a chicken farm here in Minnesota.
Seriously....all this fuss should be seen as a good thing.... people are excited good and bad about the game right now and thats not entirely a negative thing....Really hoping good comes out of these conversations.
999000

[hubsonfire]

On a related note, Skuzzy was a BK for a few days, but had to be booted from the squad for being disruptive.

[hitech]

999000: I would sugest a turkey farm instead, its a much better money maker.

And I never said talking and staiting views is a bad thing, but posting in a respectfull manner , with out attacking the person is what will win discussions and gain you respect.


HiTech

[Mugzeee]

The fact of the matter is, Flaconwng is a very valuable asset to HTC and AH.

  He and his squad has always encouraged fun and light hearted game play.

  They have always pulled out the welcome matt to noobs and vets alike.

 The simple fact is, when you are on Vox with the bops. The fun is ever prevalent. This was as prevalent in the early days (Before they were so large) as it is today.

  HT, If before your challenge to FALC was posted, you were challenged to name 10 players in game who was most responsible for helping your community/clientele grow and keep them interested, Would have FalconWng been one of them?

  I can assure that as far as the country he has flown for the last 3 years, Falconwng is at the very TOP of the list of individual's that has kept a many of player having fun and seeing the bright side of the game.

  And yes Yeager this was long before the BOPS squad was as big as they are. I contend that the reason for their squad size is more about fun and "game" than any other reason.

   The fact is. Falcon realizes that this is more about a "game" than 90%of the guys saying its "Just a game"

  I think it very fair of him and his squad to have expressed their concerns at the onset, then play it out for 3 or 4 days while keeping silent on the BBS, and now coming back with a point of view based on trial.

 IF...and I say IF HT was trying to prove the "Point" that a certain BK was eluding to, then I have to think he would be implying that maybe the squad should be half the size it is.

  This would of course imply that there is actually a "Conspiracy" to break up "squads"/"friends" from playing "together" in game. This of course doesn’t effect or friendships

  Otherwise HT was simply was challenging Falcons loyalty to friends/squad by insinuating that IF he couldn’t name 100% of them, then he actually don’t think as much of them as he claims.

  I hope it is the former and not the latter.

  In any case, if HT is attempting to breakup the hoard (* screw those that don’t like this spelling*)  I can assure you IT WILL NOT WORK. It is a failure of a plan from the gitgo.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by 999000
Raider179......Welcome to the biggest drag of the Game..the BK's.... Blue Knights....go to their home page..It reads something like "we don't fly bombers, we don't do base captures, we don't do Gv's" ...and if you find them rude ....they are proud of it.
999000

Interesting.  The actual quote on the Blue Knights homepage states:

The Blue Knights came into being in April of 1992.
This squad has no ranks, no chain of command, no officers, nor do we have a squad night.  We don't fly missions, we don't drop bombs, we don't take bases.

We fight.
We're good at it.

But improperly paraphrasing it to suit you works too I suppose.

-- Todd/Leviathn