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« Reply #60 on: November 05, 2003, 01:07:38 PM »
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Whatever. Took posession. That's a quite neutral and descriptive term.


But it looks like they are going to fail.  I guess they didn't count on so much internal pressure to get out of Iraq ASAP.

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« Reply #61 on: November 05, 2003, 01:15:17 PM »
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911 has everything to do with Iraq invasion - if no 911 Saddam would still be in power. 911 simply changed at how the USA looked at the possibility of mass terror attacks and what our response should be. 911 made it impossible to ignore him and is outrageous behavior. Plus iraq invasion is a big picture idea to reshjape the region wholesale - so I understand why a "small" politically fearful unimaginiative conservative european leadrship cadre is unable or unwilling to grasp the concept.


Try make up your mind will you...  Iraq war has said to been about WMD, now you're mixing it up with the 911.

Saddam hardly was a threat to something else than his own people - he wasnt a dumbarse even if a dictator, he liked living royally and he had even plans for his heirs.
He knew exactly well what would've compromised his luxury status and wasnt either regarded as a zealous muslim, on the opposite.
Too bad for him, he made a miscalculation by invading Kuwait.

I suppose the most WMD which could be found from Iraq, would be the ones which were approved by US and maybe even partly supplied by US.
Lets not forget how Saddam used WMD against Iranians, who took it to UN, where USA vetoed it to save trouble from their dear friend Saddam.

Anyway, sure there was some smaller camps owned by organizations regarded as terrorists, but I'm quite sure you'd find those from all around middle east, so couple small camps are a moot point when the neightboring countries has whole armies.

Amazing what all crap told by the politicians you believe, a true patriot!

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« Reply #62 on: November 05, 2003, 01:34:51 PM »
You really are dense fishu...

If no 911 there would not be as much concern about saddam and his misbehavior. Why? Beacuse 911 showed us that these bad guys who hate the usa were willing to go increbile lengths to kill us at home thinking they could get away with it with no reprisal. We wouldnt take the risk with saddam making the same miscalculation as he has been prone to making bad decisions concering the usa in the past...  If you dont understand that then its hopless.

BTW if you are so stuck on that WMD thing and how the USA gave him wmd when he was our ally then juist take it that were now correcting our mistake and removing his wmd.  Of course your stance is that iraq has no wmd, so why are you even mentioning it.


Miko... Now you are going off the deep end.

I suppose you think roosevelt knew of pearl harbor attack but let it happend so we could get in the war and he could get his way against the isolationsts. Thank god he was a military naval genious and he had the carriers away from port - so only the outdated battleships wouyld be wiped put leaving us the modern air arm to win the war...

Whats next from you, was it a criuse missle in pentagon?


Yiou know well enough that cultural mindsets frame perception, and that europes naive fantasy land image of itself made possible by the US guarding it like a child from the real world of cold war is what leads to all these untrue idiotic pacifist fantasies out of that child continent. Really europe is like that wierd litte freckled lesbian hippe college chick with curly hair and a "NO WAR" sign on her backpack... Totally clueless and lost in a protected safe environment - protected by her parents just as the USA protected its child in the form of postwar europe.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2003, 01:38:38 PM by GRUNHERZ »

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« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2003, 01:58:03 PM »
GRUNHERZ: Miko... Now you are going off the deep end.

I suppose you think roosevelt knew of pearl harbor attack but let it happend so we could get in the war and he could get his way against the isolationsts.


 Why don't you stick to what I've actually said, rather than idiotic crap that you suppose I should be thinking?

 I understand it is much easier to argue with stuff of your own manufacture that you attribute to your opponents than it is to analyse the actual arguments and views, but please make an effort.
 We all know what "attacking the straw man" means by now.

You know well enough that cultural mindsets frame perception, and that europes naive fantasy land image of itself made possible by the US guarding it like a child from the real world of cold war

 I do know that europeans lived through many wars while in US only southerners lived through one. I bet living through wars alters cultural mindset more than reading about it in the newspapers. So it's americans who would more likely to be "clueless and lost in a protected safe environment".

 You must also remember that "cold war" is just a term for the period that was not actually a war. US did not really fight it. It was ready to fight next to it's european allies. It was spending wealth on armaments - maybe even a significant fraction of the wealth US extracted from Europe through persistent trade imbalances.

 It certainly did not fight in Vietnam for Europe's benefit.

 miko

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« Reply #64 on: November 05, 2003, 02:04:57 PM »
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Some of you had better pray we do not find WMD's in Iraq( which I think we will).

If we do, the American support for Bush will swell and we'll move on thru Syria, N.Korea and the rest who promote terror.

I'm sure I'll read another 4 years of socialist spew as well.


Admit it! You love the sprew!! You thrive on Sprew... just like the other conservative bananas on this board.

And it's not about WMD in Iraq... get with the program.. Georgie Dubya Bushbanana already said it's about "regime" change.

Didn't you get the neo-nazi-conservative memo?

By the way... the democratic intel memo... was a plant... libral media up to their usual dirty tricks.

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« Reply #65 on: November 05, 2003, 02:11:58 PM »
Bla bla bla....aren't you lot tired of this same constant merry go-round of petty bickering?

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« Reply #66 on: November 05, 2003, 03:10:01 PM »
Grunherz,

So instead you thuoght it was better to get rid of this guy who was hardly sponsoring terrorists and in exchange piss off more of these probable terrorists, so it would be guaranteed they will be planning on to blow themselves at US targets.

Brilliant thinking!

Only thing which might correct it now, is that US really does as they boasted - bring this hyped freedom to Iraq and prove themselves to other middle east nations.
This will take a looong time..  I bet not many were thinking about that when they were so pro-war and telling how US is going to free Iraq and bring freedom etc. etc.

Its not going to take a year or two.. or even five..

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« Reply #67 on: November 05, 2003, 05:03:41 PM »
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Grunherz,

So instead you thuoght it was better to get rid of this guy who was hardly sponsoring terrorists and in exchange piss off more of these probable terrorists, so it would be guaranteed they will be planning on to blow themselves at US targets.

Brilliant thinking!

Only thing which might correct it now, is that US really does as they boasted - bring this hyped freedom to Iraq and prove themselves to other middle east nations.
This will take a looong time..  I bet not many were thinking about that when they were so pro-war and telling how US is going to free Iraq and bring freedom etc. etc.

Its not going to take a year or two.. or even five..


Well it seems that the "terrorists" attacked the US on our soil beore we went into Iraq "again".. As for sponsoring terrorism, saddam has been doing that since he has been in power--

And why would Iraq be any different from the US in that its people dont ALL agree on the same thing....The same could be said for Europe or south america or china----Everyone in this world we live in (temporarily) has bias and racsism in them...And if you say you dont, you lie.
Every Country in this world has bias and racsism (mine included)and again if you say it doesnt, you lie....
Europe and their "polls" are no different than any other country's "polls", they can be manipulated to suit the pollsters needs, just by going to a certain geographic area and taking them. Whos to say that they didnt "poll" 15,000 people and throw out the half they didnt want to hear?
Get a grip people, the day you allow a poll to be your "opinion" is the day you dont have one.

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« Reply #68 on: November 05, 2003, 06:22:26 PM »
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GRUNHERZ: Miko... Now you are going off the deep end.

I suppose you think roosevelt knew of pearl harbor attack but let it happend so we could get in the war and he could get his way against the isolationsts.


 Why don't you stick to what I've actually said, rather than idiotic crap that you suppose I should be thinking?

 I understand it is much easier to argue with stuff of your own manufacture that you attribute to your opponents than it is to analyse the actual arguments and views, but please make an effort.
 We all know what "attacking the straw man" means by now.

You know well enough that cultural mindsets frame perception, and that europes naive fantasy land image of itself made possible by the US guarding it like a child from the real world of cold war

 I do know that europeans lived through many wars while in US only southerners lived through one. I bet living through wars alters cultural mindset more than reading about it in the newspapers. So it's americans who would more likely to be "clueless and lost in a protected safe environment".

 You must also remember that "cold war" is just a term for the period that was not actually a war. US did not really fight it. It was ready to fight next to it's european allies. It was spending wealth on armaments - maybe even a significant fraction of the wealth US extracted from Europe through persistent trade imbalances.

 It certainly did not fight in Vietnam for Europe's benefit.

 miko


You said exatly that miko - that PNAC it it maybe knew of 911 wouldnt tell everyone. Just like pearl harbor consiracy theories.

As for Europe when did they learn that war was really bad?  Was it after Napoleon? After the Franco/Prussian War? After WW1? After ww2? After the numerous post ww2 european colonial wars? After arming regimes across the world, even with nuclear weapons technology?  They obviously havent learned watermelon about war.

The only thing they know about war is that the USA was there to protect them from you and hordes of T72s.  T72s build and driven by yet another group of europeans who havent learned watermelon about the idea that war is bad because they they thir mightiest to start many other wars and invasion and still do quite recently.

And for the rest about the cold war being fake thats just more of your bizzare obseesion about fake money and trade imbalances....

Nice to see how you ignore the guilt of communism in threating the western world - still a party man at heart I see...
« Last Edit: November 05, 2003, 06:26:30 PM by GRUNHERZ »

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« Reply #69 on: November 06, 2003, 01:59:14 AM »
Drone,

It just gets serious when some country decides to go war mongering and slanders the other countries for not joining their war mongering.

President Bush actually did say a very very bad remark on french in one of his speeches, which hardly any other president would make. (prime ministers are an exception though... Berlusconi)
Which I think was unheard level of arrogance.
It is frenchies own matter whether they join the wars or not and US does not have one word on it as long as there are others who sides with french decision.

US tried to order other countries to join its crusade, as if they'd own the countries and then these silly people renamed french fries to freedom fries (how totally tubular silly is that?) for not joining the wars.
Oh the irony when you think about it; they renamed it as a freedom fries, while lobbying for war and neglecting other countries freedom to decide what they prefer to do!!


So, sure, every country does have their bias and racism, but US really does top it out with bias.

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« Reply #70 on: November 06, 2003, 02:17:35 AM »
So the USA is also world leader bad #1 rogue nation in bias too?

Well at least we know which region leads the world in BS... :lol

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« Reply #71 on: November 06, 2003, 02:22:54 AM »
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You said exatly that miko - that PNAC it it maybe knew of 911 wouldnt tell everyone. Just like pearl harbor consiracy theories.

As for Europe when did they learn that war was really bad?  Was it after Napoleon? After the Franco/Prussian War? After WW1? After ww2? After the numerous post ww2 european colonial wars? After arming regimes across the world, even with nuclear weapons technology?  They obviously havent learned watermelon about war.

The only thing they know about war is that the USA was there to protect them from you and hordes of T72s.  T72s build and driven by yet another group of europeans who havent learned watermelon about the idea that war is bad because they they thir mightiest to start many other wars and invasion and still do quite recently.

And for the rest about the cold war being fake thats just more of your bizzare obseesion about fake money and trade imbalances....

Nice to see how you ignore the guilt of communism in threating the western world - still a party man at heart I see...


Because of your birthplace aren't you  affraid of atavism ?
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« Reply #72 on: November 06, 2003, 02:43:54 AM »
I might genocidally slaughter you all, but then again I might not... :aok

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« Reply #73 on: November 06, 2003, 02:44:25 AM »
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So the USA is also world leader bad #1 rogue nation in bias too?

Well at least we know which region leads the world in BS... :lol


Yeah, US takes the lead spot in that as well.

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« Reply #74 on: November 06, 2003, 02:45:22 AM »
So has Finland apologized to Russia yet?