Author Topic: Perk the La7 (Read 11698 times)

SpitLead · « **on:** June 25, 2001, 02:00:00 PM »

I normally distain discussions on "uber" airplanes but this time I just HAVE to put my 2 cents in. This plane is just way to incredible in the FM. It is the fastest airplane on the deck (with only the possible exception of the Tempest) bar none. Don't know HOW many times I've tried to outrun a La7 only to loose ground and many times I was in a Typhoon!! And yes, we were basically co-alt so there was no advantage to start to close the gap. It's just ridiculous. On the other side of the coin, I was stall fighting (yes, the horn was blaring) a La7 in a N1K (yes that other "uber" airplane) and I could NOT get a gun solution. Due to the high 'g' turn and deflection I never got a shot. I never could turn inside him to unload 'g's for a shot. This La7 was just hanging with me in the turns. So, here you've got the fastest airplane on the deck (where most fighting in AH occurs anyway) and it can stay in a turn with a N1k. Add to this the fantastic acceleration and the 3 cannons it is the ultimate "uber" ride. I say PERK the La7.

>>He he he, I knew this post would bring the "non-perk whiners" out of the closet

[ 06-26-2001: Message edited by: SpitLead ]

Pongo · « **Reply #1 on:** June 25, 2001, 02:10:00 PM »

bring it on baby!!!
lol
The best thing about the LA7 is that only need one in the mission to keep all the nikis honest! Everyone else can fly manly german and american planes cause if one guy has an la7 then the nikis are in trouble....
Even if I dont get the kill the niki is dead cause some other assassin will spank him while he is stalling out trying to lead turn me. Or he will be on the deck trying to flee for his meatball winged life!!!

I have more trouble against spits though. The hispanos can still pull chunks off ya at 600 which is pretty far to seperate.

MrLars · « **Reply #2 on:** June 25, 2001, 02:13:00 PM »

Perk the La7 whiners!

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #3 on:** June 25, 2001, 02:17:00 PM »

I dont know what is the criteria to perk the planes in AH. All we know that 75% AH air batles are low level ones, where La7 has no rival. If performance is a "key" to perk planes, well, obviously having perked the Ta152 and not the La7 has no sense to me.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #4 on:** June 25, 2001, 02:27:00 PM »

So what aircraft should be the fastest in the arena without being perked? Please let us know so that all that are faster can be perked more efficiently. Enough of this picking one target then moving to the next... it takes too damn long.

AKDejaVu

SpitLead · « **Reply #5 on:** June 25, 2001, 02:28:00 PM »

Well said Mandoble. How many Ta152s has ANYONE seen lately?? I can't remember the last time I saw one. Not many fights happen at 25,000 feet.

The La7 has NO rival on the deck. You can't run from it and you can't turn with it unless you're in a Spit (or Zeke). At that, it's better than 95% of the other airplanes in the arena. I somehow find that hard to believe that this was the case in real life (I KNOW this is a sim but it's trying to get as close to reality as it can)

Zippatuh · « **Reply #6 on:** June 25, 2001, 02:28:00 PM »

Well, the only aircraft I feel safe against a LA7 on the deck is the N1K. Not sure how you were flying, but I’ve turned inside an LA7. Actually the LA7 was on my six, and after enough time, I was on his six. The LA7 does not handle near as well as the N1K at stall speeds, IMO. I have also had many a spit lead and out turn me.

Close in base defense = N1K
Mid range, far base defense (I have time for alt) = LA7

Does it need to be perked? NO, but neither did the Chog

Zippatuh

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SpitLead · « **Reply #7 on:** June 25, 2001, 02:32:00 PM »

AKDejaVu,

This has why I've avoided discussions about perking airplanes up to this point. Because, eventually they'll all end up being perked. Ya perk one plane and another one comes along to be perked. However, in this case, the FM of the La7 just seems way out of whack. At least with the Chog we all KNOW it's the cannons. Most airplanes have one advantage or another but the La7 seems to have it all. If you don't perk the La7 then tone down the FM. At least with N1Ks most airplanes can outrun them if you can't out turn them.

mx22 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 25, 2001, 02:35:00 PM »

First time I hear of La7 being a good turner... But then, if you turn in it, you deserve to die... In any case, 1vs1 I don't feel all that threatened in my Yak against most of the La7 drivers.

mx22

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mx22 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 25, 2001, 02:36:00 PM »

double post... sorry

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AKDejaVu · « **Reply #10 on:** June 25, 2001, 02:42:00 PM »

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If you don't perk the La7 then tone down the FM.

I can't believe you said that. What unrealistic numbers do you believe should be inserted?

The truth is, some aircraft is always going ot do something better. The K/D and % kills of the La-7 don't indicate a need for perking. It performs well, but its guns downright suck. You can get used to them, but they are some of the worst .20's in the game. You need a fast agile plane in order to get them within 200 yards of a plane.

I dunno... just seems that people have a plane get on their 6 in the MA... then come here and whine about how it shouldn't happen.

It gets old fast.

AKDejaVu

Nifty · « **Reply #11 on:** June 25, 2001, 02:52:00 PM »

Actually, I'm more inclined to believe that the CHog was perked because you couldn't fly a sortie without seeing one (of course, this was directly related to the Hispanos!) My point is that I don't really see that many more LA7s than other planes. I see more n1k2's and spits (mostly IX's) than anything. Still see quite a few Hogs, though split between the C and D models.

LA7 has a good K/D at the moment, over 1.2 (n1k2 and spit IX also have 1.0+ K/D). LA7 has ~8000, nik2 ~14500, spit IX ~10500 kills. CHog has ~8500 and DHog has ~10000. Out of the planes I listed, the LA7 trails all in terms of kill numbers.

I'm not arguing with how good the LA7 is, I'm just saying that it's not being overused because of it's "uber" status like the CHog was.

Now if HiTech and co. come out and say "we perked the CHog directly because of the Hispanos, not because the kill numbers it had were far beyond the 2nd closest plane" then I'm in agreement. Perk the LA7, the N1K2, and possibly the Spit IX too. If this isn't the case, and it was based off of usage numbers, don't perk any new planes, and lower the perk costs on the TA152, Tempest and Arado some. Just my opinion.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #12 on:** June 25, 2001, 02:57:00 PM »

Only Spits, nikkis or C202 (at some point also Yak9) can outturn the La7, so, yep, La7 is a GREAT turner. It is also the second if not the best climber at lo alt. And the best accelerator too. Has a more than respetable roll rate and great control at hi speeds. And, what could be a subjetice feeling, La7 is a "tank", really hard to destroy it. Even more, it can fly forever with engine damaged (not stopped). What more can you ask for a plane??? oh! yeah! hispanos

MrLars · « **Reply #13 on:** June 25, 2001, 03:10:00 PM »

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Originally posted by SpitLead:
AKDejaVu,

Most airplanes have one advantage or another but the La7 seems to have it all.

La7's gunz are "it all" LMAO!!!!

Westy MOL · « **Reply #14 on:** June 25, 2001, 03:13:00 PM »

While in a Yak, I fear not the La.

Westy