Author Topic: My 1st map whine, I guess (Read 2080 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #45 on:** November 18, 2003, 09:15:10 AM »

I don't mind niks or la's much... at least they will fight, especialy the niks... I also see hurris and spits and F6F's and 190's and typhies and p38's and all sorts of different planes... not a lot of 109's but.... who cares? lots of spits but I like to see spits.... they will fight. Still see pee 51's and deee 9's taking sissy little kicks at the furball... flights of fluffs at 2 or 3K...

seems to be working out about how I thought/said it would... more choice... more players having more fun.... new guys staying longer... bigger numbers. More choice more action..
lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #46 on:** November 18, 2003, 09:18:06 AM »

and jakal... if you don't admit to being lost by one of beetles post then you are a liar.

beetle... ya still have me confused with your analodgy... it seems that if you can win, both on a personal level and overall, on the fester map but you can't win in a chess game with no kings then the two are not analogous... that and all the other things I mentioned of course.
lazs

Rutilant · « **Reply #47 on:** November 18, 2003, 09:23:39 AM »

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Originally posted by mars01
Yeah because there are only Niki and La7 hords on Fester map.

The LA7 and Niki are very effective planes on any map. Quit crying about the planes. If your a good pilot you can fly and fight anything, if your not you can cry about it. God La7s and Nikis are easy kills.

The horde mentality is on every map. The team with the numbers is always going to come in hords. The team with the least amount of people will always be overwhelmed. The maps have very little to do with altering this fact.

The one thing some other maps do is reduce the ability to furball, while every other aspect of the game is kept in tact. Fester map is one of a few maps that has encompased all facets of the game.

Also, next time your on look to see how many people are furballing in the middle, then go to another city on the coast and pork it. lol

I don't really give a flyin fediddle which planes i come across, it's just when i ONLY come across those planes it gets BORING..

But i've said it before, the only people that defend N1Ks or La7s are the ones that fly em, and 99% of the time it's true.

Rutilant · « **Reply #48 on:** November 18, 2003, 09:26:34 AM »

People..

If festers map was perfect..

No one would complain..

But the fact that it caters strictly to furballers makes it imperfect.

Simple enough?

Samiam · « **Reply #49 on:** November 18, 2003, 09:45:25 AM »

The point is that FesterMA doesn't just cater to furballers.

The fact that the strat folks can't get their brains around a different challenge doesn't equate to no strat.

And this is just my personal experience, but I've found more equitable fights at a wider variety of altitudes in the last four days on FesterMA than in the whole previous month.

And there seems to be a whole lot more bombers around and they are more likely to have escorts. Or maybe it's just that I can actually find them and get to them without a 30min yawner of a flight.

Any argument that FesterMA is a furballers-only map that includes whining about the fact that you can't milkrun your way between dot-dar coverage unescorted and laser-bomb cities without being accosted isn't going to stand up in these forums.

Actually, FesterMA is a fine map for milkrunnig. Just do it offline. It's the same challenge and you save $15/mo.

beet1e · « **Reply #50 on:** November 18, 2003, 10:00:07 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... ya still have me confused with your analodgy... it seems that if you can win, both on a personal level and overall, on the fester map but you can't win in a chess game with no kings then the two are not analogous... that and all the other things I mentioned of course.
lazs

Yeah? Well tell me then. How do you know when you have won? What momentous event trumpets your victory? Getting a kill? The guy you just killed is already back up with a full clip before the smoke has dissipated. In Chess terms, I'd equate that to taking a piece. Momentary gratification, maybe. Checkmate? Hardly.

Rutilant · « **Reply #51 on:** November 18, 2003, 10:17:27 AM »

Isn't it the furballers that can't get thier ADD fogged brains around a longer than 5 minute flight on maps other than festerma?

mars01 · « **Reply #52 on:** November 18, 2003, 10:21:26 AM »

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But i've said it before, the only people that defend N1Ks or La7s are the ones that fly em, and 99% of the time it's true.

Not in this case Rut. I do fly the LA7. Most of the time when I am tired of rooks coming in at 25k diving on the base at 500+ mph killing fuel then running like the strat porker potatos they are. What shoud I up? Hmmmm f4f maybe yeah that'l catch em.

Or hmmmm lets see, since I am a knight and usually out numbered, yeah I'll fly an la7.

Or let see, hmmm when losers pork fuel down to 25% yeah I'll up a Niki.

But if you check my stats I fly majority; La7s, Spits, F4us, 190s, some 109s, Typhoons, 51s etal. whatever Im in the mood for or the situation demands.

But my earlier comment still stands.

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I don't really give a flyin fediddle which planes i come across, it's just when i ONLY come across those planes it gets BORING..

Yeah it only happens on Fester map lolh

Rutilant · « **Reply #53 on:** November 18, 2003, 10:43:32 AM »

Gimme a ring sometime, i'll pork yer base with the utmost of glee from my 15k buffs

Oh, and.. Just 'cuz they don't play your way by leavin your fuel up, doesn't mean they're losers

lazs2 · « **Reply #54 on:** November 18, 2003, 10:56:20 AM »

beetle... it is not possible to win a chess game without kings... it is possible to "win" the fester map... reset is possible. If you can "win" on the other maps you can "win" on the fester map... so.... where is the analodgy?

course for me... a night of having fun is considered a "win" but I'm just peculiar that way.

lazs

mars01 · « **Reply #55 on:** November 18, 2003, 11:16:19 AM »

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Oh, and.. Just 'cuz they don't play your way by leavin your fuel up, doesn't mean they're losers

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

LoL

No problem on the buffs, I love killing Buff formations. Bring em up any time!!!

beet1e · « **Reply #56 on:** November 18, 2003, 11:23:38 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... it is not possible to win a chess game without kings... it is possible to "win" the fester map... reset is possible.

No it's not, not if everyone flies like you it's not, because no buildings would be battled and the toolsheds would remain intact. If you had your way, bombs would be perked and the field capture movement would be killed off forever. And after all, it is for those players that Fester designed his map in its current form - the folks who want an instant gratification kwikfix, and have no interest in strat. Which makes me wonder why there are so many fields on the map. Three would be enough for the way you play, and want everyone else to play.

lazs2 · « **Reply #57 on:** November 18, 2003, 11:34:57 AM »

so beetle.... you are saying that....

given a choice people will have fun and not fly they way you like even if it is possible to do so? That the only way that people will fly the way you want them too is if they are forced to by having a map where the option to have fun is removed?

reset is possible but people are too busy having fun! this is criminal! Remove all choice imediately before people become to accustomed to it!

lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #58 on:** November 18, 2003, 11:57:50 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
so beetle.... you are saying that....

given a choice people will have fun and not fly they way you like even if it is possible to do so? That the only way that people will fly the way you want them too is if they are forced to by having a map where the option to have fun is removed?

reset is possible but people are too busy having fun! this is criminal! Remove all choice imediately before people become to accustomed to it!

lazs

ROFL! Erm, not quite. I think we have stumbled upon a fundamental truism of Flightsim gaming. What is one person's idea of fun might not appeal to the next man, and vice-versa. Remember, it was you who wanted to have the game changed to favour the way you play and want everyone else to play, it was you who wanted to have bombs perked to prevent the antics of the suicide fuel porker. SFP is the antithesis of your good self in this game, and you wanted to see him eliminated because the way he played did not accord with your furball agenda.

...plus everything else you've said!

Samiam · « **Reply #59 on:** November 18, 2003, 12:06:36 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
If you had your way, bombs would be perked and the field capture movement would be killed off forever.

I've never once seen Lazs or anybody else state that they want to eliminate the strat game.

Just my interpretation, but I hear the strat guys saying,

"I just want to play my game the way I want to play it and I don't care if the furballers are all complaining 'caus they're never happy and they don't get what the MA is for anyway."

I hear the furballers saying,

"I just want to find a good fight quickly. The strat guys can knock themselves out, but I do have a problem if one suicide tiffie can spoil my fun for the night."

Play my way or Suffer vs. Live and Let Live.

But Rude is right, it's and endless debate. Kudos to Fester for trying to strike a good balance. (I think he already has, but what do I know).

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Originally posted by Rutilant
Oh, and.. Just 'cuz they don't play your way by leavin your fuel up, doesn't mean they're losers.

Actually, porking fuel all over the map so that you can avoid any actuall A2A combat may just be the definition of the word loser.