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Offline 214thCavalier

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« on: December 07, 2003, 02:36:37 PM »
Couple of points.

First its probably not my place to raise em as i was tagging along with 101 squad.

Getting assigned to bomber duties 2 weeks running is not good, not fun and will not keep me coming back.
(Personal opinion no idea of 101's view)

We upped in boston formations and within 15 minutes the squad were dead, although Viff may have held out longer on his own.

We had just climbed to 14k when we were spotted by 109's and attacked.

Not a single CAP fighter anywhere to be seen, we never got any further than 25 miles from our take off base.

SSOP's are not supposed to be this way.

I do not look forward to Sundays just so I can up in bombers week after week and basically get raped within 25 miles of your take off base with non existant fighter cover.
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Offline B17Skull12

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2003, 03:56:25 PM »
cal when i was in SSO with my squad it was very fun.  The simple solution is that SSO needs more numbers.
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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2003, 04:25:23 PM »
I was wondering if the Axis attacked our CV at any time during the frame, we didnt see much action over it.
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Offline ramzey

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2003, 04:29:14 PM »
:( cav, im sorry for broke your fun twice week in a row

i cannot promice 3rd frame in a row we will fly fighters, but if you still looking for sunday squad , you are welcom in 315

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Offline B17Skull12

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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2003, 05:17:58 PM »
speaking of which i haven't done SSO in a while who like me for next week?:D   Im very good bomber dweeb and i enjoy flying them :)
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Re: SSOP 7-12-03
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2003, 05:43:42 PM »
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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Couple of points.

First its probably not my place to raise em as i was tagging along with 101 squad.

Getting assigned to bomber duties 2 weeks running is not good, not fun and will not keep me coming back.
(Personal opinion no idea of 101's view)

I do not look forward to Sundays just so I can up in bombers week after week and basically get raped within 25 miles of your take off base with non existant fighter cover.


We all get rides we do not like.  I would say the majority of the time you get what you want.  Sounds also like your CAP may have some explaining to do.

Why don't you sign up a squad for SSO and bring a few friends.  As FRAME CO you can pick your ride .... :)
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Offline ramzey

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2003, 05:53:43 PM »
Skernsk, sorry my friend you are not in topic ;)
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Offline 214thCavalier

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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2003, 07:10:01 PM »
Skernsk I along with many others just dont enjoy buffing.
HOWEVER for SOP's i will fly Buffs when required.

But when its 2 weeks running for me that says the side CO is not checking what the previous asignments were.

I thought it was generally accepted that buff duties need to be spread around and not dumped on the same squad for consecutive weeks.

Its a 2 hour scenario for fek sake, Nobody is going to be happy getting bounced out as a squad like this.

As for signing up a squad no thanks, I was SSOP CO for MAG33 been there and done it.

Frame CO definitely not for me, I dont have the time or inclination to do the job.
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2003, 07:39:44 PM »
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We upped in boston formations and within 15 minutes the squad were dead, although Viff may have held out longer on his own.

We had just climbed to 14k when we were spotted by 109's and attacked.



I think this is the main issue.
Had we not been bounced so early we may have had a chance to involve the escort. and heres the reason why:




Look where A4 , A35 , & A21 are located.
Thats right, just barely 1 sector away from each other.
Didn't even help that we climbed our Bostons West to try and delay contact with any enemy aircraft, they were right on top of us within the first 15 min of the frame. Can you imagine what would have happened if we climbed directly East ?



CM team plz take notice. This is definately starting to resemble KOTH.
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Offline ViFF

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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2003, 07:53:14 PM »
As for 101 Sqn getting assigned buffs on the 2nd frame:  I didn't think it was worth complaining for three reasons:

1. As allied CO of the 1st frame I assigned my squad to SBD dive bombers, but I also made sure that we sequesterd the 4 sleek Seafires as well :)

2. We like buffing, especialy if it involves in B-17s.

3. I didn't want to give Markal a hard time :)


I any case for frame 3 lets make sure 101 Sqn gets assigned to the pure air to air roll with the best fighter out there...
Please.   :)

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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2003, 08:19:48 PM »
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. Can you imagine what would have happened if we climbed directly East ?
 


i can, you will pass safe ;) and get bounced over target 1 hour later
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Offline bikekil

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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2003, 03:20:52 AM »
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Originally posted by B17Skull12
speaking of which i haven't done SSO in a while who like me for next week?:D   Im very good bomber dweeb and i enjoy flying them :)


Allways welcome to fly with 308 :)
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Offline Grayarea

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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2003, 03:55:35 AM »
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CM team plz take notice. This is definately starting to resemble KOTH.


I hope you are trying to be funny!

If you want to climb into enemy territory that is your own look out. When we made contact with the bostons you were at least 25 miles in front of your own lines, not a safe place to be withourt escort.

If you want to be safe, climb NE would have been the best thing to do.

I am sorry this has happened to you VIFF, but I won't be held responsable for people being bounced in SSO, there was a perfactly safe direction for the bombers to climb out in, and for some reason you guys climbed out over the front line.

Remeber what happened when I put rules into place to prevent bombers being bounced?

KOTH has a alt cap. SSO does not.
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Offline Grayarea

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Re: SSOP 7-12-03
« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2003, 03:57:37 AM »
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Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Getting assigned to bomber duties 2 weeks running is not good, not fun and will not keep me coming back.
(Personal opinion no idea of 101's view)


There is a side forum for all squad COs to make their plane preferances known, currently only the Axis appear to be makeing significant use of it.
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Offline 214thCavalier

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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2003, 05:16:49 AM »
Remember i brought the subject up not Viff or 101.

Bostons rolled sw runway out of A4, we grabbed west to 14k.
At this point we turned hdg SE and spotted high dots almost immediately.

After radio coms decided they must be enemy we turned tail and ran for protection of nearest base which happened to be our radar facility in 1.4 and thats where we went down.

Points I feel need to be considered for future events.

Bombers should not be expected to roll from a field that is only 30 miles from a front line enemy field.
There are rear fields that could and should have been used by the bombers.

If your frame plans include upping bombers, then you MUST arrange for escorts to be on station when needed.

Lose your bombers within the first 15 minutes and you are now defensive for the next 1.75 hours and extremely unlikely to achieve your objectives.

I try to keep in mind this is a SOP scenario, which to me means trying to accomplish your mission and survive to rtb if possible within the 2 hour timeframe.

So getting smashed by 109's within 15 minutes while still carrying a  full load of fuel and bombs with no escort is not my idea of how SOP's is meant to be.
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