Author Topic: I am floored. This is so wrong.... (Read 4311 times)

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #45 on:** December 13, 2003, 10:23:27 AM »

Godamn some of you need a clue...

I have no problem with anyone asking Bush to prove his claims. I have no problem with the people wanting proof. I think Bush deserves more time, but I also think he should be impeached if he was lying to us. If we have proof he lied for his own purposes he needs to be punished there needs to he proof though.

My outrage over this has nothing to do with bush, and everything to do with using the names of our dead men in a tasteless add that tells the families there loved ones died for nothing or greed. That's just wrong.

Those of you who cant step away from the bush hate long enough to see that are sad..

You want proof? That's fine so do I. What I don't want is some tool of a politician using dead soldiers.

I would be just as pissed if a rep did this.

Duedel · « **Reply #46 on:** December 13, 2003, 10:43:42 AM »

I dont know why u guys discuss if Bush is a liar or not. He surely lied about things, maybe cause he was misinformed - id ont know.
But anyway this video is as pathetic as the one where u can see pathetic patriotic pictures of US soldiers in the Iraq. Its all emotional scheisse and wont help to discuss this topic in an objective way.

Monk · « **Reply #47 on:** December 13, 2003, 10:52:41 AM »

I don't about you, but dying is pretty emotional.

Duedel · « **Reply #48 on:** December 13, 2003, 11:01:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Monk
I don't about you, but dying is pretty emotional.

Sure! But it depends on how u the press ur government or whoever uses the death for propaganda purposes.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #49 on:** December 13, 2003, 11:08:41 AM »

You know that 'loss of all hope for humanity' feel I was talking about earlier?

I just got it again.

Dingbat · « **Reply #50 on:** December 13, 2003, 11:46:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Scootter
Dingbat, Here is a thought "when France puts up 87 billion they can hire only French companys" how about that?

When you pay the band you get to pick the music.

I'm abstaining from the argument. I just disagree with rude... My wife was going to be sent to Iraq, but she was still in AIT. They didn't send her for this reason.

By alienating countries even further than the US has, I don't feel is a just policy.

I also feel the DHS is a frigging joke, in terms of immigration. I will not start my rant on that here...

bigsky · « **Reply #51 on:** December 13, 2003, 12:05:29 PM »

i think this video was more to the point and dont support a specific political campain.
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html

SaburoS · « **Reply #52 on:** December 13, 2003, 12:21:27 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
So, according to your, guys rules of discussion, what are we allowed to say about Hitler's policies that is bad if we could not mention the deaths his policies caused?

miko

No miko,
What some apparently are saying is that criticizing their own in power is just wrong and underhanded, however it is okay to do so of the opposition's candidates.
They want proof in the form of links, sources, etc whenever the opposition makes a statement (they'll discount it anyway no matter what is furnished). Yet, some of those that demand that proof refuse to return the courtesy when they make statements.
Just my opinion of what I've noticed BTW.

Martlet · « **Reply #53 on:** December 13, 2003, 12:32:18 PM »

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Originally posted by bigsky
i think this video was more to the point and dont support a specific political campain.
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html

Actually, that video is mostly propaganda. Much of what is said in it is slanted or untrue. The last thing I saw before I clicked the "x" is taking an OpEd quote that was reproduced in the Army Times and attributing it TO the Army Times. While the statement is technically correct, it's extremely misleading unless you actually read the article IN the Army Times.

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Originally posted by SaburoS
No miko,
What some apparently are saying is that criticizing their own in power is just wrong and underhanded, however it is okay to do so of the opposition's candidates.
They want proof in the form of links, sources, etc whenever the opposition makes a statement (they'll discount it anyway no matter what is furnished). Yet, some of those that demand that proof refuse to return the courtesy when they make statements.
Just my opinion of what I've noticed BTW.

Why do you guys continue to cry about being asked to back up your accusations? Perhaps it's because you rarely can?

SaburoS · « **Reply #54 on:** December 13, 2003, 12:48:58 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Godamn some of you need a clue...

I have no problem with anyone asking Bush to prove his claims. I have no problem with the people wanting proof. I think Bush deserves more time, but I also think he should be impeached if he was lying to us. If we have proof he lied for his own purposes he needs to be punished there needs to he proof though.

What if he did but there is no paper trail, audio tapes, etc.?
What if he didn't have the intelligence to filter out the lies from the truths told to him, but he just passed on the "faulty" intel anyway?
Is he not the 'Captain of his ship'?
What about all those that gave the President false intel?
Should they be punished also?
What should the punishment be? Getting fired? LOL.
It would have meant (if true BTW, inconclusive so far) that many of our soldiers and Iraqi civilians died on a lie.

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My outrage over this has nothing to do with bush, and everything to do with using the names of our dead men in a tasteless add that tells the families there loved ones died for nothing or greed. That's just wrong.

Those of you who cant step away from the bush hate long enough to see that are sad.

But what if what they say is the truth?
Would you still be upset?
Right now we don't REALLY know what the truth is.

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You want proof? That's fine so do I. What I don't want is some tool of a politician using dead soldiers.

If true though, then you'd agree that what Bush and Co did would be a more serious crime?

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I would be just as pissed if a rep did this.

I would hope so!

Would you rather everyone kept quiet about the possibilty of wrongdoing of your candidate or would you feel secure in his/her innocence that criticism should be voiced in a free and democratic nation?

SaburoS · « **Reply #55 on:** December 13, 2003, 12:51:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
Why do you guys continue to cry about being asked to back up your accusations? Perhaps it's because you rarely can?

You care to back that up?
Links please. Nothing out of context either.

Martlet · « **Reply #56 on:** December 13, 2003, 12:56:43 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
You care to back that up?
Links please. Nothing out of context either.

Sure. Scroll up 3 posts.

SaburoS · « **Reply #57 on:** December 13, 2003, 01:08:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
Sure. Scroll up 3 posts.

Oh, that proved it, so profound

Martlet · « **Reply #58 on:** December 13, 2003, 01:17:45 PM »

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Originally posted by SaburoS
Oh, that proved it, so profound

See? I back up my accusations.

SaburoS · « **Reply #59 on:** December 13, 2003, 01:18:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
See? I back up my accusations.

So you think