Please, for the love of GOD!

[lazs2]

fuel never below 50% or.... if they leave it as it is... soon as it gets to 25% the field is captured.

increase the leathiality of the CV ack about ten times and make it so that it can never get closer than 2/3 a sector from shore.   Make the ack so good that to suicide bomb the CV it would take 10 guys for one to get through.   maybe get through.

lazs

[MaddogJoe]

I guess none of you "high flyers" ever think of jumping in a goon or M3 and resupply the porked bases. It only takes a few runs, and fuel is back up. Of course then you have to have some organization to slow the porkers while some of you do the supply runs, and I guess you wanting to get all those kills...err stop the dweebs is too tuff to resist so then your back in your fighters looking for that easy kill of the hvy porker dweeb.

Oh and if you look at the game from a "furballers" pov, and take the "strat" play out of the game then aren't you just making a dweebish WWII game? Dive in make as many kills as you can then run away. Sounds like you want to play Fighter Ace, NOT a WWII flight Simulation!

[lazs2]

noooo.... killing the porkers is pretty unfun.. even after they drop their bombs they can't do any acm any more comlex than.... run away as fast as they can.   killing them is not fun... playing their unfun game to stop their unfun game is.....

not fun.

if you don't fight you will never learn how to fight... you will allways be easy meat for someone who took the time to learn.

lazs

[Mini D]

Some day you'll wake up and realize two things lazs:

1) You lump everyone into the "fuel porkers" category by defining them simply as people who would rather not exclusively furball.

2) There is more to the game than furballing.

The fact that you and yours feel the need to hold your hands over your ears singingl LALALALA at the top of your lungs does nothing to change the fact that you are simply wrong.

And Rude, it's not about having all the answers, it's about not jamming everyone into neat little categories of gameplay.  There's a few people here who are insisting they know how everyone plays, they just don't realize it.

Toad, feel free to hold onto that video like it's the holy grail of proof.  I've shot too many planes down as they tried to attack a base to believe it's anywhere near the norm.  You on the otherhand have seen it done once, and insist it's the norm.  I find that quite funny.

MiniD

[MaddogJoe]

I'm not saying its fun killing porkers, just easy  Station yourself about 10 miles out for your base on a DIRECT line to the enemy base and circle at 20k. As them big hvys lumber by you hit them. They either drop their loads, or die swiftly under your guns.

The main point I was trting to make however was not many want to resupply the field. I think if those that complain the loudest, do it from their goons on a suppy run, I wouldn't mind hearing them complain so much  

[Toad]

Originally posted by Mini D
You on the otherhand have seen it done once, and insist it's the norm.  I find that quite funny.

Yeah, Mini. It's just me that's seen it and then only once. You betcha.

What really makes me laugh though, is seeing the line above in the same post as this one.

Originally posted by Mini D
The fact that you and yours feel the need to hold your hands over your ears singingl LALALALA at the top of your lungs does nothing to change the fact that you are simply wrong.

Now THAT'S funny! You may well be the choirmaster of yet another LALALA chorus here.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by SlapShot
Widewing ....

You realize that Mini D is the ONLY one that really has all the answers or has a "clue".

Put a couple more posts up like that and he'll eventually indoctrinate you in the "Liars" Club.

Your getting close ...

"Now you are exagerating ..." <----  kinda lieing

Being Christmas I was unwilling to be annoyed by MiniD's nonsense. I just weigh the source. However, we all know that MiniDick attributes words never spoken and is the first to exaggerate. In short, he's just a MiniTroll. He carves him name on the park sandbox and thinks it's his. Not worth the electrons.

My regards,

Widewing

[Mini D]

I'm sorry widewing.  I apologize for actually reading what you said and finding it lacking.... again.

And you too toad.  I'm sorry that you will go to great extents to prove that everyone can pork fuel in one pass without being stopped while continuing to hide in CV ack typing obsenities to anyone that comes near you with a bomber.

Bases can be defended.  Even "suicide dweebs" can be stopped.  The fact that you have to move to "oh yea, but what if they come in at 20k" arguments only goes to prove that.  The fact that you have to resort to "not if they're organized" only proves that more.

The answer to adressing strat issues is not by removing the strat .  The answer to to adressing simplistic behavior is not to make things more complex.

This whole debate is simply hillarious in one aspect...  The main pitfalls of the strat system revolve around actions at an airfield.  If someone can kill something then die trying, they can come back 5 minutes later to try again.  The ack is completely ineffective at stopping attacks, but if you turn it up people would never leave it.  Yet "move the bases closer together" is the main battlecry.

The battles need to be moved away from the fields... not made harder... just moved.  The ack at the fields needs to be very lethal.  Enough of the 400mph passes through it.  Enough of the lazy turns in the middle of it.  To accomodate that, the fights need to occur where the ack is not a concern.  But that's not what anyone here really seems to want.  They want to have their cake and eat it too.

MiniD

[Widewing]

Originally posted by MaddogJoe
I'm not saying its fun killing porkers, just easy  Station yourself about 10 miles out for your base on a DIRECT line to the enemy base and circle at 20k. As them big hvys lumber by you hit them. They either drop their loads, or die swiftly under your guns.

The main point I was trting to make however was not many want to resupply the field. I think if those that complain the loudest, do it from their goons on a suppy run, I wouldn't mind hearing them complain so much  

Maddog, I make resupply runs often. That's usually the first sortie I fly after logging on when forward fields have been porked. When the enemy gets close to our HQ, I'll CAP it. When they are flying a constant stream of field porkers, I'll station myself between fields. I'm usually among the first to resupply a bombed HQ. Whatever it takes is what I'll do. But note this; THIS IS NOT WHAT I PREFER TO BE DOING!!!!

My regards,

Widewing

[Urchin]

Actually, I for one would be quite happy if

-  There was more ack at every field.  In real life, fields were not protected by 8 37mm AA/AT guns.  They were protected by many guns ranging from small caliber MGs to large caliber AA guns.  And I'm sure some fields had AT guns as well.

-  Ack was made a bit tougher, so that 2-3 .50 cal hits would not blow it up.

-  The AI for the ack was just a liiiiiitle bit better.  As it is, they seem to find it easier to hit someone going 450 mph than someone going 150 mph right overhead.

-  Downtime for ack was decreased to about a minute or so for the small guns that aren't in the game but hopefully will be eventually.  Perhaps a variable sort of thing, with .30 cal MGs being down for a minute, .50 cal being down for 2 minutes, and on up.. the higher the caliber the longer it is down.

And of course, I'd like to see the fuel dispersed and hardened.  Perhaps those changes would take the emphasis off of porking/vulching, and put it back on fighting.  Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of vulching, but I'm reasonably certain nothing like that happened in real life.

And to be honest, this is all moot anyway, since there will be no changes in gameplay in the MA, ever.  The current formula "works".. numbers are higher than they ever have been.  I think eventually the AH2 "arena", whatever that will be, will end up more like a WW2OL type game, where the emphasis is more on the ground war.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Mini D
while continuing to hide in CV ack typing obsenities to anyone that comes near you with a bomber.

MiniD

That's it? That's all you've got? Just BS?

You complain of people exaggerating, yet you're the king of exaggeration yourself.

If you've ever seen me type obscenities in the buffer, please state it outright. A Screenshot would help your case. But you don't have them and no one has seen me doing that. It's just not my style.

Your "ack hugger" attempt is the most laughable thing I've seen in a long time. It's as if someone called me "strat dweeb"; it only shows how out of touch with reality the accuser really is.

The gameplay in AH is totally screwed up. You've posted in various threads on various BBS's about how disenchanted you are with the MA as well. Not playing much now either, are you?

Yet you persist in the "LALALALALAL nothing is wrong" song, making yourself ever more the lucdicrous hypocrite.

[Mini D]

No.. I have film of that too toad.

I don't know why you've hopped on this band wagon in this manner.  I don't know what tragedy has befallen you that causes such inane behavior.  You didn't used to be this way.  It's not about wether or not I agree with you, it's about watching what you say and how you act.  It's gone off the deep end.

I've watched you hide in CV ack as a CV grew about a sector away from the nearest base.  I'd fly there, get a kill, get killed and then have to fly all the way back where, once again, you'd still be trolling around in the CV ack.  If a formation of bombers aproached, you'd be there on channel 1 instantly.  This is not something I'm making up.  So... you'll excuse me if I tend to dismiss your examples of the course the game should and shouldn't be taking.

Its both sad and pathetic.  These threads are getting the same way.  Nobody is trying to solve anything, they're just trying to blame everyone else for their "lack of fun" when it really just boils down to lazy self centric behavior.

MiniD

[Toad]

Good. I remember that. I spent more time on the clipboard trying to zig the CV from the bombers than I did fighting. I remember you in a B&Z P-40 working with a Spit wingie, SOB HO'ing me in a N1K and Fester perched over it all in a P-38.

Post it. Let's have a look. Bring it out into the daylight. I want to see the unedited film of me putting obscenities on Ch1.. through the language filter.

I don't know what tragedy has befallen you that causes such inane behavior. You didn't used to be this way.

Amazing. I was making this exact same comment about you to a few other players not long ago.

[Mini D]

I've changed?  Really?

"God I remember that night..."

Yah... believe its just a rare occurance with you all you want toad.  While you're at it, insist that everything everyone else does they do all the time.

MiniD

[Toad]

Post it big boy. Let's see it.

I've been around long enough, the players that read CH1 know what I say and they know how I play.

And I'm comfortable with that.

Post it. C'mon. Let's see it.