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Offline Elfie

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« Reply #45 on: December 22, 2003, 04:54:23 PM »
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yes it was at 25% 3 maybe 4 goons bring it back up

but im sure it was 3:p


Each load of supplies only takes 15 minutes off a 2 hour rebuild time. If all the fuel was due up in 45 minutes or less all it would take is 3.
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« Reply #46 on: December 22, 2003, 05:21:11 PM »
Sorry to shine some light on people. But in ww2 to stop operations from a base you didnt kill its fuel. You killed its pilots.
Fuel is in small trucks that are usually hidden in trees or other cover. Or it is in bunkers that are likewise hidden. It is not stored in the middle of the runways  in bright glowing tanks that can be seen from orbit.

The people that defend this tactic as meaningful in a historical context are just making excuses.
Even if it was historical to damage fuel at a single field in this way it would not hurt a fighter to be limited to 25% fo the fuel that a lancaster or B17 can carry so whats the point.

That being said. Squads that get together and play the game to the utmost advantage can hardly be blamed for it. But saying there is any realism to the effect of such a strike on a ww2 airfield is silly. Maybe an airfield that still thought it was at peace or something.

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« Reply #47 on: December 22, 2003, 05:32:21 PM »
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Sorry to shine some light on people. But in ww2 to stop operations from a base you didnt kill its fuel.
Ever see that movie, Tobruk?  The mission of the Allied forces was to pork the massive fuel storage position at Tobruk.

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« Reply #48 on: December 22, 2003, 05:49:24 PM »
Well between that and Telly Sevalas rolling fuel drums down the hill to stop Jochiem Peiper in "The Battle of the Bulge" I think you have the makings of a great strat system there.

If fuel porkers are willing to drive jeeps 800 miles to kill fuel at a base then they are welcome to it.

But even that example is of strategic fuel supplies not tactical fuel supplies.

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« Reply #49 on: December 22, 2003, 06:03:19 PM »
I thought it was Henry Fonda (Lt. Col. Daniel Kiley) rolling them at
Robert Shaw (Col. Martin Hessler).
 But I could be wrong.

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« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2003, 12:00:11 AM »
No, I actually think Beetle is right about the impact of fuel porking on the small maps.  It is just as prevelant on the large maps, but since there are more fields you can almost always find some sort of action where there is some gas.  On the small maps half the damn bases on the map have the fuel porked just as SOP, whether or not there is actually any fighting going on nearby or not.

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« Reply #51 on: December 23, 2003, 06:12:25 AM »
If a capacity based fuel attrition model was used (instead of %)then fuel porking would effect bombers then  heavy and long range  fighters and only then light combat fighters.
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« Reply #52 on: December 23, 2003, 10:30:57 AM »
kegger... no.. I don't think you are a dweeb.   I think you are a deluded simpleton tho.

you can prove me wrong by joining knights and having your squad perform the "knight roll" for us during prime time..   Do it when knits are down by at least 20-30.

The point is.. the only strat in AH is... the country with the most numbers wins.    It is of course much easier to "roll" if your country is loaded with suicide excess numbers even if they can't kill anything more aggressive than a toolshed or oil drum with ...LOL, peeee 51's ...  hope none of those hurris or spit fives catch you running away!

You do realize that no one admires you tho right?   when they see one of your "rolls" they are either disgusted or amused.

For most.. suicide porkers aren't playing the game so much as spoiling the game.   It is a loophole and it will get fixed eventually.  but... don't bother to learn how to fight... it might last a long time yet.

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« Reply #53 on: December 23, 2003, 10:39:48 AM »
What's not to admire about people who do online exactly what they can do offline?  If anything, you can practice dropping bombs and rockets on stationary ground targets all day long offline and then take these new skills into the game without skipping a beat.  The online version of attacking stationary ground targets is exactly the same as the offline version of attacking stationary ground targets.

Now if only the online pilots would fly like those offline drones...

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« Reply #54 on: December 23, 2003, 10:49:57 AM »
Urchin,

The mistake I think beet1e is making is in thinking the 512x512 maps with the bases further apart suffer less than the 512x512 map with the bases close together.  In my experience this is simply not true.  It is worse on these maps as instead of porking the fuel at 3 bases to block all activity around the one you are capturing you only need to pork the fuel at 1 or 2 bases.  Overall there is less flying for the fuel porkers on maps like AKDesert than on Fesrter's.
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« Reply #55 on: December 23, 2003, 10:56:07 AM »
I don't know - those offline drones tend to kick my butt. I keep on ramming them - bunch of no skill dweebs that can just circle all day.... and what's with the hyper warping from base to base - hows that work??

On the fuel issue - sure would like to see a total fuel capacity model used :
- Require resupply to maintain capacity, replace destroyed fuel.
- Capacity affects loadout for fighter differently than bomber.

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« Reply #56 on: December 24, 2003, 08:14:32 AM »
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kegger... no.. I don't think you are a dweeb.   I think you are a deluded simpleton tho.

you can prove me wrong by joining knights and having your squad perform the "knight roll" for us during prime time..   Do it when knits are down by at least 20-30.

The point is.. the only strat in AH is... the country with the most numbers wins.    It is of course much easier to "roll" if your country is loaded with suicide excess numbers even if they can't kill anything more aggressive than a toolshed or oil drum with ...LOL, peeee 51's ...  hope none of those hurris or spit fives catch you running away!

You do realize that no one admires you tho right?   when they see one of your "rolls" they are either disgusted or amused.

For most.. suicide porkers aren't playing the game so much as spoiling the game.   It is a loophole and it will get fixed eventually.  but... don't bother to learn how to fight... it might last a long time yet.

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 I flew for the knits, and I would still be flying for the knits if they wernt a walking cluster f--- of a country.  You seem very disgruntled about my "peeee 51" and I am sorry your spit five or hurri couldnt catch us. However if you would just grab some alt and wait for us to drop our ord, we would gladly turn and fight you.
 The insults we cute though.... You also seem very frustated, maybe if you spent less time coming up with catchy original insults like "I think you are a deluded simpleton tho." and classics like "You do realize that no one admires you tho right?", and more time planning missions, and practicing pushing mud, you wouldnt be here right now humping my leg, about how the boo-hoo knits dont have the numbers. Mixed in there somewhere is an offer to join knits, classic.... you know you catch more flys with honey.
 It's sad laz you would say those things about me. More so when you didnt even take the time to really read my posts. If you had you would have read how my squad does this on a friday and sat night, when every countrys numbers are up. The rest of the week we fly support missions, we do fighter sweeps, air to ground ops, and we even haul alittle trash and bellybutton in there somewhere.
  In fact 70% of our time is spent flying C47s, supporting the front, those missions include flying cargo into one of our feilds under attack, and dropping our supplies. Now this was a mission that we would have done for the knits, but we were told knits didnt want a goon squad.
 The real problem for you is numbers, knits are down on numbers and that makes you upset. Let me tell you what I saw my first month in AH when I was a knit. I saw VERY little team work, I saw alot of cherry picking and alot of furballers, any time someone got missions planned and got things rolling, it never lasted long because there was never any team work. It was always somthing, ppl flying to an emy base with no eggs, or even rockets, nope they came light, they came to furball, cherry pick, and vulch.
 I started flying for rooks, and I noted somthing right away, the amount of team work, almost every squad on rooks has an open squad channel, ours is 126. Rooks also have a fourm for COs of rook squads to plan missions, so that on a fri and sat night, we are putting our numbers to good use. Having the planning, and set missions and the over all team work makes me want to play more. Its very rare to get into a dog fight as a rook, and not have someone calling check six if you need it, or even pulling off an emy plane they are about to kill, in order to clear someone six. Rooks for the most part see the big picture, and there are times we are out numberd, but unlike what I have seen from most knits, rooks can see past there own ego's and they want to win the war. So stop whining about numbers, and how your spit 5 or hurri cant catch a pee 51, adapt and over come. Then maybe you wont have these "number problems"
 I dont think I have ever heard of any german or jap WWII fighter pilot refer to the P51 as the Pee 51 or runstang. Dont cry over planes, every plane has its strengths and its weaknesses. Infact I fly a plane that has a major weakness for attacking ground targets, that rad takes a hit thats pretty much it for ya. Plus I fly the B model, I have two less guns, less ammo and I am a 1K in bombs shy of the D model.  Grow up laz, or dont. doesnt really matter to me, but please stay a knit.
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« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2003, 09:07:39 AM »
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Rooks also have a fourm for COs of rook squads to plan missions, so that on a fri and sat night, we are putting our numbers to good use.


That whole post is one scary thing. But this part had me rollin' in the aisles.

All fear mighty Rooks! Kneel, knaves... or they shall reset you!

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Rooks of Ni: Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni! Ni!
Arthur: Who are you?
Rook of Ni: We are the Rooks who say..... "Ni"!
Arthur: (horrified) No! Not the Rooks who say "Ni"!
Rook of Ni: The same.
Other Rook of Ni: Who are we?
Rook of Ni: We are the keepers of the sacred words: Ni, Ping, and Nee-womm!
Other Rook of Ni: Nee-womm!
Arthur: (to Bedevere) Those who hear them seldom live to tell the tale!


Jeez, Laz... don't know if I'll be able to sleep at night now, knowing the Rooks have it sooooooooo together. One good squad blast of "Nee-womm!" and the wings will fall off my Wildcat!
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« Reply #58 on: December 24, 2003, 10:28:31 AM »
kegger... I'm gonna pretend you are kidding.   Nobody can be that weird.   either that or you have a whole lot of time to spend on line.   THE COUNTRY WITH THE MOST NUMBERS WINS.   Get it?  it doesn't matter about "missunz" dudz...   nothing else matters.  but most of all....

Winning the war doesn't matter.    I don't care who 'wins" the war..  I want to fight.    I want big, action packed fights and I sure don't want to carry bombs or rockets.  

 upping in a fast plane and chasing down your skilless butt to have one fight in an hour is not fun.  Not gonna do it.   I have upped in a tempest and chased down field porkers that were in 51's.... the worst furballer I ever met gave me better fights.   Soon as something faster gets near you guys you're ded.  No wonder you are so facinated with toolshed battling.

So.. you join the country with the most numbers and continue to do the same things you been doing and.... surprise!!  the country with the most numbers continues to win.

it was the bishops a while back and at one time it was the knits that were the consitent "winners"  what is the secret of all this???  THE COUNTRY WITH THE MOST NUMBERS WINS.

I watched your strat rooks yesterday when they had a few less on than knits... they died like flies and were down to about ten less fields than knits even..  Why?   they didn't have the numbers...  And, I believe, they don't know how to fight anymore... in a CV engagement they simply gave up after they had all their fitghters shot down by an equal number of rooks and all got in LOL  pt boats..   you guys have "missuned" yourself right out of any skill.

In short... I am not going to play a boring game of strat to counter your boring game of strat.   you are no fun to counter and not much fun to fight... I continue to advocate more gameplay for furballers.

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« Reply #59 on: December 24, 2003, 10:56:18 AM »
HERE HERE Laz!


What sux even more these days is the lack of fighting when you actually find an enemy con.  I was on last night, in a Dhog with rockets and 100% fuel.  I get jumped by a higher alt La7, he comes screaming down,  I reverse, he over shoots, I get behind him, he pulls away and runs for home.  potato peeling radishS.  It's bad when La7s are running from Hogs.

WTF people - this is a game of fighter engagement, why doesnt anyone engage anymore.  All they care about is dropping bombs and running home.  Except for a small group from each country most people don't know s@#T about AtoA combat and even fewer seem to engage in it.  

They should change the name of the game to "Aces Climb For 15 Mins, Dive For 2 Seconds, Drop Bombs and Run Away As Fast As You Can":rofl

Luckly I was drunk and tired so after 2 sorties I logged and surfed some porn lolh.

Bring back the Aces to Aces high.  potato peeling engage.

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