Author Topic: How to get a high rank (Read 28510 times)

Steve · « **Reply #315 on:** January 10, 2004, 07:48:55 PM »

Dmdcoach is a good stick and a nice guy but he is a poor example of one who didn't fly the "Easymode" planes. How one can count a pony as easy mode and not the tiffie is a mystery me to me. The tiffie is faster than the pony at lower alts(where most fights take place) and has 4 hispanos. Of his 790 kills, over 700 were in a tiffie or a tempy.

Shane · « **Reply #316 on:** January 10, 2004, 07:54:57 PM »

hey, i'm only working with what bee1e gave me to work with. i'd also say the chog and 109g10 are as easy-mode as a pony/la7. but... ya know? i'm only here to kick beet1e around.

and just cuz knits reset and i have a few mins to spare..

tour47 top 100 absolutes: agalland... maybe 1 or 2 more... not gonna spend more time proving what's already been proven. so we've now established that beet1e is at least 300% wrong for his 2nd argument. it goes up even more if you use his first observation/argument and go up to anyone ranked better than himself.

tour 47 top 100 >3% big-3: several.... getting less than 3% of total kills is statistically insignificant to their ranking.

nopoop · « **Reply #317 on:** January 10, 2004, 07:57:27 PM »

Ok.

After following this thread in the last day while refraining from commenting, I can no longer hold back.

I tried my best to stand off and let it all "flow" as these threads have a way of doing. But I've got to the point that I can no longer restrain myself.

I apologise for not adding anything meaningful to the debate, but I only have one thing to contribute.

Shane ??

It's time..

Please continue..

Shane · « **Reply #318 on:** January 10, 2004, 08:17:31 PM »

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Originally posted by nopoop

Shane ??
It's time..

now that christmas is over, i wonder if it's safe to bring out jesus?

<--- imagine jesus here.

Urchin · « **Reply #319 on:** January 10, 2004, 08:34:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Dmdcoach is a good stick and a nice guy but he is a poor example of one who didn't fly the "Easymode" planes. How one can count a pony as easy mode and not the tiffie is a mystery me to me. The tiffie is faster than the pony at lower alts(where most fights take place) and has 4 hispanos. Of his 790 kills, over 700 were in a tiffie or a tempy.

Typhoon is probably the best plane for cherrypickers. It has good speed, good acceleration, the most firepower stuck on any plane in the game, and it climbs ok. I'd say the P-51 is better all around, but that is just me personally speaking.

The reason I call the La-7, N1k, spit IX, and P-51D "the big 4" is because they are far, far and away the most used planes in the game. While I understand the Spit V isn't the same plane as the Spit IX, if one looks around on your average primetime night, you'll see about 50% of the planes have an icon saying La-7, Spit, N1K, or P51. If you cut out the Spit V, they probably run about 35% of "total kills". With the Spit V, probably 40%-ish. Add in the next top plane, and you are talking 45% of the kills (mind you, not every plane that is up in the air gets a kill) scored in the MA by an airplane.

Of those four, it is my firm belief that HTC put in the N1K2 and La-7 to give newbies something that would be so hard to **** up in that literally anyone could hop in them and be "competitive". The Spit IX has similar performance, but all the usage can't be "blamed" on its performance, it was/is quite a famous plane. Same for the P-51D... the performance doesn't put it in the "top bracket" (which for that "class" of planes is held by the La-7/ Tempest), but it was/is the most well-known American warbird in history. The La-7 and N1K on the other hand, I think see about 99% of their use purely because they are the "top planes" in their respective categories.

But back to your original point, the Typhoon is a second rate La-7 with first rate firepower. The reason it doesn't make the cut for "Big 4" (or possible Easymode/dweebplane) status is because it is only about half as common as the top 4 planes.

Steve · « **Reply #320 on:** January 10, 2004, 09:05:49 PM »

Ahh... but Beet1e made no mention of frequency of use... I think you make valid points Urch, but using Beet's logic, I still feel the tiffie is "Easymode".

Shane · « **Reply #321 on:** January 10, 2004, 09:32:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Ahh... but Beet1e made no mention of frequency of use... I think you make valid points Urch, but using Beet's logic, I still feel the tiffie is "Easymode".

cc urchins definition being slightly different, but not really, than beet1e's... but by using urchins usage%, should not we be allowed to include in the point under contention those who might fly those big-4 but get less than the overall usage % of their kills in them? deja's stats page is a good place to find out % of overall kills by model type.

so if the big-4 get, say 45% of the total kills, if one only glys the big-4 for a total of say 15% of their own individual kills, wouldn't it be a valid contention that they can achieve a sub-100 ftr rank without having to "rely" on the big-4 to get there?

in any case, beet1e is still proven wrong. that's one thing that can't be changed or hedged off.

NoBaddy · « **Reply #322 on:** January 10, 2004, 10:03:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Dmdcoach is a good stick and a nice guy but he is a poor example of one who didn't fly the "Easymode" planes. How one can count a pony as easy mode and not the tiffie is a mystery me to me. The tiffie is faster than the pony at lower alts(where most fights take place) and has 4 hispanos. Of his 790 kills, over 700 were in a tiffie or a tempy.

Steve...

Correct on both counts. However, Coach is a "one-trick tiffie". The only time he flys anything else is when I rag him about it (we lost a 2v2 duel at the con a couple of years ago because of Coach's Tiffie fetish

).

For some time now I have felt that the Tiff is waaaay to easy. There are negatives. But, they don't out way the positives with it. The big positive being guns. Basically, I agree with Urchin. If you hit 'em...they die. Without the lethality of the Hispanos, the Tiffie would not be near as dangerous as it is.

NoBaddy · « **Reply #323 on:** January 10, 2004, 10:28:00 PM »

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Originally posted by beet1e
Read Urchin's post. The whole thing about Shane's #1 ride is that you can do that, and it doesn't matter if you screw up. If you do, all you have to do is run. The only thing that's likely to catch you is another LA7, and as Zanth once said there's a 50/50 chance that it's being flown by an idiot.

Beets...

...and you totally missed my point. The majority of La7's that I see are the run of the mill Lemming Warriors or noobs that think the plane will save them. My point is that Shane is neither. (Pssst...this is one of those reasons that the scoring system lacks validity when attempting to measure a another player's skill since it can not take fighting style into account). Your 7/13 in La7's does not lend credibility too your argument. No, I'm not trying to be a Richard Cranium about it

. I'm just suggesting that you take one of those uber planes, fight against the odds for a camp or so. You just might find that, contray to popular opinion, they aren't always so uber

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Urchin · « **Reply #324 on:** January 10, 2004, 11:01:24 PM »

So, who would have more success? Someone who is constantly fighting 3v1 in a 109E4, or someone who is constantly fighting 3v1 in a spit/nik or la7?

Points still valid, imo.

And steve- they are the most used planes for a reason. You know perfectly well what that reason is.

I still think the original point is valid, if somewhat pointless, since it is nearly impossible to prove or refute. Who can say how well someone would do if they flew for a month in X plane. Not me, I never do it. I fly all different planes, I find it difficult to stay with the same one for an entire month.

DrDea · « **Reply #325 on:** January 10, 2004, 11:16:07 PM »

To score high you must do this.

1: Pratice.Listen to the vets.Find a plane that suits you reGARDLESS of weather or not Beet thinks its suitable.

2: Ignore the dweebs that tell you your choice of plane is bad.When they pay your 14.95 then listen.Till then tell them to STFU.

3: There are NO easy ways to score hi.You MUST be good at all aspects to score high.

4: If you feel the need to do the things gamey wise to score hi the rest of the arena will realise this and your small mental award will mean nothing to anyone but you.

5: above all ENJOY the game whatever scope that takes.As for the Big 4 nazis?They can kiss my ass.

Shane · « **Reply #326 on:** January 11, 2004, 12:28:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
So, who would have more success? Someone who is constantly fighting 3v1 in a 109E4, or someone who is constantly fighting 3v1 in a spit/nik or la7?
Points still valid, imo.

why pick the earliest of early planes? i think someone, in say, a 109f4, or f6f would do as well... some do...

Arlo · « **Reply #327 on:** January 11, 2004, 12:50:09 AM »

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Originally posted by culero
Wait a minute....never mind

culero (was ignoring the obvious)

Maybe he'll add me for saying, "Quoting yourself and giving yourself credit in a sigfile will make you go blind."

Urchin · « **Reply #328 on:** January 11, 2004, 01:14:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Shane
why pick the earliest of early planes? i think someone, in say, a 109f4, or f6f would do as well... some do...

No, they wouldn't. I was making a point, but someone in a 109F4 or F6F wouldn't do as well as someone in a spit/nik (if they chose to fight) or as an la7 (if they chose to run).

hitech · « **Reply #329 on:** January 11, 2004, 09:50:12 AM »

Hell of a point you guys are tring to make. I feel like just saying well DAHHHHHH

Of course every pilot gets better in a better plane.

But none of that has anything to do with scoreing, because guess what ladies and gents, all planes fight all planes.

HiTech