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« Reply #75 on: January 08, 2004, 11:26:13 AM »
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What would prevent or preclude the foundation of religions in your proposed world?


I dunno.. im my perfect world perhaps a genuine feel of respect and compassion for your fellow man.... I can imagine quite the utopia.. Who cant..

One thing for certain, more people have been killed in the name of a god than any other reason in the history of the creation of our planet.. For certain, other reason could be found and probably would.. But how much worse could it have been in the past.. And what if our planet evolved to today w/ no religion.. Religion today as in the past is nothing but a crutch....

As stated in the bible, God is our father and his love for us pure.. Those of you that are parents, could you damn your child to eternal damnation simply for walking his own path?? For not praising your name daily? For not worshiping you on every Sunday? Could you burn your child FOREVER for any reason?? I doubt it.. My first reason for doubting organized religion as I grew up with it...
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« Reply #76 on: January 08, 2004, 11:33:13 AM »
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One thing for certain, more people have been killed in the name of a god than any other reason in the history of the creation of our planet.. For certain, other reason could be found and probably would.. But how much worse could it have been in the past.. And what if our planet evolved to today w/ no religion.. Religion today as in the past is nothing but a crutch....


You have evidence to back this claim?

I can come up with some pretty high numbers of killings for other reasons. Something like 50 million killed in WWII, about land grabbing, not religion. How many were killed by Stalin? 20 million?

Let's hear some numbers.
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« Reply #77 on: January 08, 2004, 11:40:44 AM »
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You have evidence to back this claim?

I can come up with some pretty high numbers of killings for other reasons. Something like 50 million killed in WWII, about land grabbing, not religion. How many were killed by Stalin? 20 million?

Let's hear some numbers.


impossible to calculate... if you took both world wars and added them, do you think they could come close to 1000s of years of know life on the planet? Were not millions killed in the crusades alone??

also at least 4 million were killed for religious reasons in ww2.. was that part of your 20 million??
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« Reply #78 on: January 08, 2004, 11:46:52 AM »
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impossible to calculate... if you took both world wars and added them, do you think they could come close to 1000s of years of know life on the planet? Were not millions killed in the crusades alone??

also at least 4 million were killed for religious reasons in ww2.. was that part of your 20 million??


Which 4 million were those? Certainly not the jews exterminated by Hitler. That was all about taking ownership of Germany from them.

I can name many more wars totaling many more millions of deaths that weren't about religion. How many can you name?

If you can't even began to quantify these deaths you claim in the name of religion why do you make such a claim?
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« Reply #79 on: January 08, 2004, 11:48:46 AM »
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Which 4 million were those? Certainly not the jews exterminated by Hitler. That was all about taking ownership of Germany from them.

I can name many more wars totaling many more millions of deaths that weren't about religion. How many can you name?

If you can't even began to quantify these deaths you claim in the name of religion why do you make such a claim?


yeah...but he used the fact that they were jews as a excuse...sure seems like they were killed due to religion to me
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« Reply #80 on: January 08, 2004, 11:49:42 AM »
Jews were killed in WW2 for religious reasons...
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« Reply #81 on: January 08, 2004, 11:56:13 AM »
I have found no numbers yet. But the christian crusades last from 1095-1578... Thats almost 500yrs...

lol some of the beginning actions...

The son of Eleanor of Aquitaine, queen of France and England, he was already a veteran warrior and strategist when he arrived in the Holy Land in 1191 at the age of 33. He took a different view of war from Saladin's. After one battle, he had the captured men–16,000 of them, according to William of Tyre's occasionally inflated account–beheaded within full view of their own armies. For 16 months, Saladin and Richard battled across the parched plains of the Holy Land.

Just 16months of 500 yrs...


Lets not forget the Muslims and Hindus....
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« Reply #82 on: January 08, 2004, 12:01:29 PM »
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I have found no numbers yet. But the christian crusades last from 1095-1578... Thats almost 500yrs...


thats over 500 years



and dont forget those who were killed in france when someone had the bright idea of "purging" it of heathens
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« Reply #83 on: January 08, 2004, 12:05:32 PM »
Religion was the original segragationist of people... even in the bible.....
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« Reply #84 on: January 08, 2004, 12:18:02 PM »
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yeah...but he used the fact that they were jews as a excuse...sure seems like they were killed due to religion to me


Goebbels convinced the Germans after WWI that the jews had stolen their prosperity while they were fighting the war. Religion was not the reason for the slaughter.

Here's a pic that should cause you to reevalute your position kappa:

 
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« Reply #85 on: January 08, 2004, 12:20:10 PM »
No one knows for sure how many died during the crusades. I doubt the total number came anywhere near even 1 million.
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« Reply #86 on: January 08, 2004, 12:26:17 PM »
not in the least Iron.. Arent we comparing 4,000yrs to less than 10 years of ww1 & 2?? The christiain crusades lasted over 500 years... How many muslims and Hindus?? I have no idea.. Such things are not taught round here in my school..

I cant believe though you wont contribute any of the Jews in ww2 to religious reasoning.. Thats ludicrous

How many were killed in bosnia just a few years ago.. The called it ethnic cleansing, but wasnt it really over two different cultures w/ different religions??

I mean come on Iron.. why do you want to argue this point.. Would it better for me to say as many have died in the name of god than just to war?

How many christians died in the old testiment alone?? This is just christians..

We've yet to discuss budist against hindus...  Budist against Taoism...
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« Reply #87 on: January 08, 2004, 12:30:45 PM »
You are confusing religious people and religious extermists during perids of extremism.

Kappa your position is like saying all forms of social or political  organization should never exist solely on the evidence that the Nazis or Communists or whoever killed many people beased on their own extremist agendas.
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« Reply #88 on: January 08, 2004, 12:31:52 PM »
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You are confusing religious people and religious extermists during perids of extremism.


no, im saying the number that have died because of something to do with a god..........
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« Reply #89 on: January 08, 2004, 12:34:58 PM »
Was Iran/Iraqi a land grab or religous fundamentalist??
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