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Offline Maniac

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« Reply #270 on: January 14, 2004, 12:13:59 PM »
I dont want to laugh but.... its a little bit funny :)
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« Reply #271 on: January 14, 2004, 12:29:05 PM »
It would be funny if anyone had really said it was proof of WMD, which no one did- the point I went overly long trying to make.
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« Reply #272 on: January 14, 2004, 12:45:48 PM »
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Originally posted by Hortlund
Lets hear it liberals...

Stage 1:
"There are no WMDs...it was all a big lie, the war was about oil."

Stage 2:
"Oh suure there are SOME WMD's..but those are OLD...and besides there are so few of them."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3386357.stm


Let's hear it for Hortland!:rofl
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« Reply #273 on: January 14, 2004, 12:47:19 PM »
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So does that change the fact that they are chemical warheads, WMD's...?


And heres a quote from you Kieran :

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Like it or not, it does prove Iraq was lying, now doesn't it?


And heres a quote from me :

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Of course, we will have to wait a day or two to get the lab-reports tough. But if they contain WMD of course no one can say he didnt have WMD.
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« Reply #274 on: January 14, 2004, 12:55:03 PM »
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Further, I can't find ANY UN SC resolution on the Balkans that authorizes the use of force. None. They all have the same vacuous comments that amount to "if you don't do what we tell you, we're going to..stamp our feet and THINK ABOUT IT SOME MORE!"


In short, I summarize the reading.

You won't find a UN or NATO resolution specifically authorizing force.

Because by time force was necessary that time the authority of that decision had already been established and granted to NATO.

Bosnia gave NATO the authority to enforce the peace.

Bosnia broke the peace and therefore, it was bombed into compliance.

That authority is established in the "Peace Agreement" enforcement clause authorized by the agreements that Bosnia signed with NATO, UN, and the other Balkan states - as detailed in the links below.

NATO and UN's authority to act as an enforcer and peace keeper is also cited below... the citations quote specific UN/NATO Charter elements which grants NATO and UN ability to act in this capacity.

Read the links.

To compare and contrasts with the US, IRAQ and UN situation.

The Gulf War Cease Fire Resolution (UNSC 687) gives authority to coalition to enforce the peace under the auspicious of the UN Security counsel. It does not give individual coalition nations unilateral authority to decide specific action if Iraq does not abide by the resolution - all decisions of the matter are reserved ONLY for the security counsel.

Specifically... The speaker is the UNSC.

"34. [UNSC] Decides to remain seized of the matter and to take such further steps as may be required for the implementation of the present resolution and to secure peace and security in the area."

Do you need a link to UNSC 687?

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http://www.nato.int/ifor/un/u951215a.htm

NATO entered into this conflict by grant of authorty to "enforce" the peace by the Dayton Proximity Talks which was initiated by the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the Republic of Croatia and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY).

The agreement invites into Bosnia and Herzegovina a multinational military Implementation Force, the IFOR, under the command of NATO, with a grant of authority from the UN.

http://www.nato.int/ifor/gfa/gfa-summ.htm
http://www.nato.int/docu/facts/2000/role-bih.htm
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« Reply #275 on: January 14, 2004, 12:57:10 PM »
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Originally posted by Nakhui
In short, I summarize the reading.

You won't find a UN or NATO resolution specifically authorizing force.

Because by time force was necessary that time the authority of that decision had already been established and granted to NATO.

Bosnia gave NATO the authority to enforce the peace.

Bosnia broke the peace and therefore, it was bombed into compliance.

That authority is established in the "Peace Agreement" enforcement clause authorized by the agreements that Bosnia signed with NATO, UN, and the other Balkan states - as detailed in the links below.

NATO and UN's authority to act as an enforcer and peace keeper is also cited below... the citations quote specific UN/NATO Charter elements which grants NATO and UN ability to act in this capacity.

Read the links.

To compare and contrasts with the US, IRAQ and UN situation.

The Gulf War Cease Fire Resolution (UNSC 687) gives authority to coalition to enforce the peace under the auspicious of the UN Security counsel. It does not give individual coalition nations unilateral authority to decide specific action if Iraq does not abide by the resolution - all decisions of the matter are reserved ONLY for the security counsel.

Specifically... The speaker is the UNSC.

"34. [UNSC] Decides to remain seized of the matter and to take such further steps as may be required for the implementation of the present resolution and to secure peace and security in the area."

Do you need a link to UNSC 687?

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http://www.nato.int/ifor/un/u951215a.htm

NATO entered into this conflict by grant of authorty to "enforce" the peace by the Dayton Proximity Talks which was initiated by the Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, the Republic of Croatia and the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FRY).

The agreement invites into Bosnia and Herzegovina a multinational military Implementation Force, the IFOR, under the command of NATO, with a grant of authority from the UN.

http://www.nato.int/ifor/gfa/gfa-summ.htm
http://www.nato.int/docu/facts/2000/role-bih.htm



Notice he is talking of an entirely different country,  not to mind all the other errors...  :rofl
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« Reply #276 on: January 14, 2004, 12:59:58 PM »
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
False alarm, go ahead and delete this thread.  :D
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Tests Show No Agent in Iraq Mortar Shells    

Associated Press

CAMP EDEN, Iraq - Tests by Danish and American experts indicate there is no chemical warfare agent in mortar shells unearthed last week in southern Iraq (news - web sites), but more testing is needed to confirm the findings, the Danish military reported Wednesday.



Drats foiled again!

Toad... get your metal detector... time to comb the sands for buried stock piles... they are made of metal aren't they?

Or do you think the Iraqis were so clever they made their WMD out of plastic... makes sense... all that oil! Plenty of plastic. :rofl

The US army has plenty of land mine detecting equipment... Spread out... 1 HUMVEE every 20 feet...

If they don't find any WMD... they'll find enough loose change to at least pay for the war! :aok
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« Reply #277 on: January 14, 2004, 01:02:52 PM »
Yes Maniac, proof of chemical weapons would have been proof of lying. Chemical weapons would not have been proof of WMD, but it would have strengthened the likelihood Iraq had lied about WMD, too.

And the tests aren't concluded yet, are they?
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« Reply #278 on: January 14, 2004, 01:04:58 PM »
Now! im laughing!

LoooL!

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It would be funny if anyone had really said it was proof of WMD, which no one did- the point I went overly long trying to make.


Oh yes, someone did say it.
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« Reply #279 on: January 14, 2004, 01:06:08 PM »
Bosnia, Kosovo, Yugoslavia... Croatia... all were part of the same agreements...

for some reason I have Bosnia on the brain today .... DUH!

Read the links... they answer the question.
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« Reply #280 on: January 14, 2004, 01:12:15 PM »
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Originally posted by Maniac
Now! im laughing!

LoooL!

:aok

 

Oh yes, someone did say it.


Really? Who?
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Offline Maniac

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« Reply #281 on: January 14, 2004, 01:13:28 PM »
Hortlund :

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So does that change the fact that they are chemical warheads, WMD's...?


And heres you again :

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Just in case you missed the point accidentally Maniac (which I doubt), the presence of those shells, whether or not they are recent, constitutes:

1. The presence of WMD.
2. This means SH lied to the UN inspections teams.
3. This means our intelligence that said they must have some chemical or biological weapons that were unaccounted for was right.
4. It means taking anything SH or his scientists said at face value is foolish.
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« Reply #282 on: January 14, 2004, 01:20:28 PM »
Don't worry Kieren; I'm sure they will find more shells/rocket projectiles buried in the sand and if they're lucky maybe some wmd too.

Just keep on digging buddy :aok
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« Reply #283 on: January 14, 2004, 01:23:50 PM »
This is funnier than Al Capone's vault..:D
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« Reply #284 on: January 14, 2004, 01:36:56 PM »
hehe   clearly they are just abit deeper.. keep digging!!

DIG DIG DIG DUG DIG DIG DIG!

:lol :lol
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