WMD's found in Iraq

[lord dolf vader]

dude you are not gonna quibble you way out of this.

you arguments have been defeated.

toad is using sophistry to try to  give you and honorable out but you try to turn it into you being correct. just plain sad.

he was a trooper in a war you talked out of your butt about. then he made you look silly, get over it,its his right.


you spout the party line well and your a true believer that and a nickle will still not get you a cup of coffee.


p.s. read up any on texas gerymandering? mr expert?

[Nordalin]

well well...looks like the democrats were wrong...AGAIN.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
the arguement isnt if they had them years ago, its if iraq had them and ready to use on us right before the war.
villages are slaughtered all over the world, and i dont see you screaming to go in and invade.

Uh?

That was sarcasm about this whole thread.

[Kieran]

Originally posted by lord dolf vader
dude you are not gonna quibble you way out of this.

you arguments have been defeated.

toad is using sophistry to try to  give you and honorable out but you try to turn it into you being correct. just plain sad.

he was a trooper in a war you talked out of your butt about. then he made you look silly, get over it,its his right.


you spout the party line well and your a true believer that and a nickle will still not get you a cup of coffee.


p.s. read up any on texas gerymandering? mr expert?

Towd, you are so blindly partisan you make mg look unbiased. But that isn't our topic, is it?

Gscholz did not undo my argument, he successfully derailed it off the point. I goofed when I said there wasn't a UN resolution before NATO strikes occurred, and I was wrong about that; what I was NOT wrong about was there was no UNSC resolution that allowed for a lawful use of force by NATO in the region. I'll happily admit I am wrong if you can prove I am, but you haven't yet.

I don't care what his record is WRT to the discussion; having served doesn't automatically make him right. Toad served too you know, and as they hold opposing viewpoints, one of those guys is going to be wrong. So far it looks like Toad is right.

But I'll throw you a bone; which court recently decided the Republicans in Texas were well within their rights to gerrymander this past year? And do you maintain gerrymandering is only good when Democrats do it?

[Toad]

Originally posted by lord dolf vader
toad is using sophistry  

Sophistry?

U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan said Wednesday he understood why force might have had to be used in Kosovo but emphasized that the U.N. Security Council needed to be involved in any decision to use it..Annan's statement, made after the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) began bombing Yugoslavia on Wednesday evening, appeared to back the Russian position that any military action must have prior council approval.

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What's invalid about that argument?

The Secretary-General said NATO should not have used force without getting UN SC approval.

Does that confuse you?

[lord dolf vader]

you still havent answerd the question i asked you befor i would debate with you. after showing your ignorance of the situation by saying blatant falshoods, who made the map kieren thinks  the democrats gerymandered? (its a lie by guess what political party)

and leagal does not mean its not despicable and incredibley wastfull of tax dollars ?  did you read the judges oppinions?

for the entire history of texas the state has avoided sutch a sorry eventualy self defeating waste of tax dollars to achieve short term political gain.  

all hell is breaking out in states  all over the country in similar gerymandring attempts and counter suits. it will cost huge amounts of money from all of us. why? to gain a false majority theres a family value for ya.

your political oppinion railing at a combat soldier is that of a corrupt 5 year old.

watching you put down a soldier in a un sponsored unit fighting for the lives of strangers. the un gave tactit permision for the whole thing and further more you know it.

i.e.you have found a bullcrap sophist argument.

ohh its against the charter! did you see the pretty white tank? did you talk to the guy with dead friends who would have live ones if he had stayed home?

guess where it  and here were and guess what large international body was perfectly happy about it. even if it was against the charter technicly. you debate that toad and your just spouting sophist crap.

[Toad]

Excuuuuuuuuuuuusse me chum! I haven't made any comment about your "gerrymander" rant. Not that I couldn't, it just that attempting to debate anything with you is a pointless, wasteful exercise. IMO, of course.

As for the rest, you are simply incorrect. I once thought it was given tacit UN permission but after an involved discussion with Boroda, I did more research. Boroda was right, I was wrong. It wasn't given "tacit permission" and it was a violation of the NATO charter.

Any remaining confusion you have can be cleared up simply by re-reading Kofi Annan's statement.

You know, the guy that was Secretary-General of the UN at the time the NATO airstrikes started? The guy that says NATO should have had Security Council approval first?

If you've been paying attention in the thread "against the Charter" is a very popular comment with those opposing the Iraq invasion. Apparently it's bad to violate a UN Charter but it's not bad to violate a NATO Charter. Well, yes.... obviously. There's a word for taking that sort of position.

LDV: guess where it and here were and guess what large international body was perfectly happy about it.

Sorry, you'll have to translate that into a standard English sentence for me. I have no idea what you mean.

[Kieran]

LDV-

Texas has fallen into Republican control for the first time in how many decades? Where was all your railing about gerrymandering then? I'm not being partial when I say if it's ok for one side to do it, it is ok for the other. All this huff because you made a silly remark about "all hell is going to break loose." Sure is, all around your ears right now. Got a clue why?

Toad has it nailed. I am not the one to originate the "Your country is criminal because it ignored international protocol" argument. Neither is Toad. But if we flip it back at a guy who used that very line to lie and put words into the mouths of myself and others here regarding the meaning of finding outlawed weapons (and make no mistake, HE pulled it that way), then it is wrong? How do you figure?

I am not attacking his military record- now YOU are lying. His personal service has nothing to do with the dialogue I've had with him (other than what HE has said). Plus your hero has made his fair share of personal attacks on me in the process, but I didn't cry like a little girl about it. I gave him some back, no big deal. If you didn't catch that, you are far more partisan than I could ever have dreamed.

[Angus]

Holy cow, what a thread.
Guess most have forgotten what it was all about.
So shamelessly I forward my hijacking attempt:
Did you know how close the US was to entering WW2 on the "cough" wrong side?
Did you know that the Norwegians fought a longer battle against the Germans than the French!
Did you know that the only obstacle for the US to sell weapons to the Germans until dec 1941 was the RN with its harbour blockade?
Did you also know that it was the Germans who declared war on the US, not the other way around?
Things are so funny looking at them afterwards.
So would you belive, that I (and also presumably GScholz...?) are quite happy about Saddam being behind bars, nevermind  the start, he is one SOB,so scrap the details.
Anyway, that was my attempt for thread distraction  

[Kieran]

Here's mine...

Did you know Hardee's burgers are made with 100% Angus beef?

[212]

10 year old mustard shells is not WMD in my opinion. I sure hope they find some WMD or a nuclear program soon.

[lord dolf vader]

"YOU are lying"
kieren.


you are unbalanced.

towd.

[maslo]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
They liked Clinton and they dont like Bush.

basicaly we do not like any green live forms.....

[Kieran]

Gscholz-

Then it's merely been a semantic game for you. If I give a region and a year, are you going to pretend to not know what I was talking about? Sure, the Balkans is a region, where exactly was NATO bombing in that time period? Even the "sparse" timeline I gave you told you that.

So... in your opinion, the action was okay... how comforting. At least you finally literally acknowledge it's illegal. Yes, I do read what you print, but you hedged quite a bit in that paragraph. Your explaination of the paragraph was at least clear, though.

I'm still amused by your assertion I know nothing of the region. I guess if you say so it must be true, eh? Because I wouldn't state the blatantly obvious before your eyes? You got wound up so quickly on the rhetoric and assumptions, wasn't much reason to give you more than the absolute minimum. You'd already decided you were right, anyway.

Towd, all you have to do is point to where I said anything negative about Gscholz's military record and I will cheerfully apologize. Until then, you are lying. Actually, I'm finding to a great extent you and Gscholz are two peas in a pod in this thread.

[Angus]

Hey GScholzie: Aren't you glad they got Saddam anyway?
WMD's or not, the SOB was sure trying to get hold of those.
And business blockades or not, he was squandering his nations money on endless weapons and then his own back yard of Palaces and Luxuries.
I must confess that I am not all happy about the way the US went about this whole business, but I'm still glad it's mostly done.
Saying that, this business is probably never gonna be done.
Sighhh