Favorite parts of the State of the Union

[Nakhui]

My favorite part was when he sat down and shut up!



Only Amereeekans would elect a Crook, a Peanut Farmer, an Actor, A Texas Trans-Plant, an Arkansas Bumpkin, and finally a GOLFBALL for President!

What a golfball the US president is - and he has the dimples to match.

USA of Deficit.. yeehaw...

By the way the 1,000 jobs that were created were in India!

Dell hired them to answer their phones.... it would have been 200,000, but Ameereeekans complained they couldn't understand what Hadji was saying!

Yes, Saheeb, Dis iz good.
Berry berry good for Business
Don't du dink...

Oh the missas, shes going to be berry berry proud of me when I bring home da bigs bucks.

[Frogm4n]

dont forget delta farms out jobs to india as well. Try explaining what your lost bags look like to a guy who speaks hindi.

[Westy]

and whatever you do don't tell them it's made of cowhide

[Montezuma]

Originally posted by Yeager
Failure to locate WMDs does not invalidate the intent of liberating Iraq.  The greatest threat to Iraqi liberation is american and european grown social liberalism.  Not islamic militant fundamentalism.

If the reason for our invasion was liberating Iraq from a dictator, then the war was fought for a liberal purpose.

Remember W statements about 'nation building'?

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
defend ourselves from what? The vast piles of sand in iraq that might get blown over the east coast if the winds picked up enough?
You cannot justify the invasion and occupation of iraq by saying it was self defence. Hell thats the same excuse germany used with poland.

I just cant understan why people cant see that we made a cease fire agreement with Iraq.  Iraq continually failed to comply with the cease fire agreement for 12 years.  Part of it was that Saddam did in fact use chemical wepons before,  and we were to be allowed to see that he never had them again.  That wasnt allowed by Saddam.  So yes there is a self defence thread in there.  However failer to comply with a cease fire agreement is justification for resumption of war.  
Going back to your anology with Germany.  If the world would have actually enforced Germany's WW1 surrender terms at that time, the way the US did currently with Iraq, that would have saved over 26 million lives.  Some people do not learn anything from history.

[Frogm4n]

Originally posted by Murdr
I just cant understan why people cant see that we made a cease fire agreement with Iraq.  Iraq continually failed to comply with the cease fire agreement for 12 years.  Part of it was that Saddam did in fact use chemical wepons before,  and we were to be allowed to see that he never had them again.  That wasnt allowed by Saddam.  So yes there is a self defence thread in there.  However failer to comply with a cease fire agreement is justification for resumption of war.  
Going back to your anology with Germany.  If the world would have actually enforced Germany's WW1 surrender terms at that time, the way the US did currently with Iraq, that would have saved over 26 million lives.  Some people do not learn anything from history.

Yes that is a good reason. It would have been fine by me if we went in for that reason, but we didnt. We justified ignoring our allies planned timetable(remember france didnt jump on board because they didnt like the time of year we went in, and because the UN inspectors were not finished) for dealing with iraq stateing that we needed to go in asap because they had wmds ready to go. So instead of going in with the UN and having the support of the world we get a handfull of nations we basically tricked or bought off into jumping on our side. And now it is going to cost the leaders of those countrys their jobs, and our troops their lives.

[Murdr]

Rgr, frog.  I am glad to see we are not so far apart in viewpoints as I had thought.  Just to touch on a few points.  France has taken upon itself the role of supposedly couterbalancing the USA since before the decline of the USSR.  I personally have trouble giving credibility to the idea the France would come onboard if we waited around long enough.  This is the same country that made us fly around europe to bomb Lybia for its support and training of terrorists in the 80's.  I could be wrong, but I personally believe that France, and Russia would do nothing but obstruct no matter what the time table, and Germany would only come onboard when and if its political leadership changed.

The UN is generally spineless when it comes to enforcing their own edicts.  Even though they as an organization decided not to help the US and supporting countries.  They were the target of one of the most major terrorism attacks in Iraq.  And what was their reaction?  They moved to Turkey.  

The UN is not effective in the field unless the US is there backing them up with our troops.  So little is different in that regard.  However, the US is responsible in part for the lack of financial support from other countries.  It has more to do with the gouging of allies that the US did in the Gulf War, than more current events in my opinion.

[ramzey]

Originally posted by Murdr
I just cant understan why people cant see that we made a cease fire agreement with Iraq.  Iraq continually failed to comply with the cease fire agreement for 12 years.  Part of it was that Saddam did in fact use chemical wepons before,  and we were to be allowed to see that he never had them again.  That wasnt allowed by Saddam.  So yes there is a self defence thread in there.  However failer to comply with a cease fire agreement is justification for resumption of war.  
Going back to your anology with Germany.  If the world would have actually enforced Germany's WW1 surrender terms at that time, the way the US did currently with Iraq, that would have saved over 26 million lives.  Some people do not learn anything from history.

well, germans come to Czech, Austria to liberate them from yourself and 30 milions people die anyway

do you see analogy?

btw russians "liberate" litvia, lotvia, estonia, ukraine, bielorussia same way

Bringing them peace , prosper and socialism
and year later milions peoples spend winter on syberia ;-)

[Sixpence]

Tom Brady's favorite part was when Laura goosed him. He said " hey, i'm the QB, not the center"

[Murdr]

Originally posted by ramzey
well, germans come to Czech, Austria to liberate them from yourself and 30 milions people die anyway

do you see analogy?

btw russians "liberate" litvia, lotvia, estonia, ukraine, bielorussia same way

Bringing them peace , prosper and socialism
and year later milions peoples spend winter on syberia ;-)

What are you talking about? I said nothing about liberation.  What I did say was just look at nazi Germany.  They pushed the limits, violoated the armnasist agreement.  The world saw, complained a little, but did nothing. This went on and on until it was too late to stop what was put into motion.  This is what happens when the world community doesnt want to "rock the boat" and decide issues are worth enforcing.

[Murdr]

Originally posted by Murdr
 I just cant understan why people cant see that we made a cease fire agreement with Iraq.

Originally posted by GScholz
No you didn't. The US have never been at war with Iraq prior to 2003. The ceasefire agreement was between the UN and Iraq.

What part of the word "we" do you not understand?  Is your assertion that "we" is exclusive to the US?  Is it your assertion that the US is not part of the UN, or a permenent member with veto power?  The US has not had a constitutional declaration of war since WWII, is it your assertion that the US has not been to war since 1945?

[Murdr]

And besides your statment is not consistant with US Law:

Many people believe the Gulf War began on January 16 or 17 (depending on your time zone), 1991 and ended with a cease-fire agreement on February 28. However, U.S. Public Law 102-25, the "Persian Gulf Conflict Supplemental Authorization" dates the beginning of the Gulf War as August 2, 1990 and states the war will continue unless there is a Presidential proclamation or act of Congress. The act was enacted on April 16, 1991. Relevant portions of the law are included at the bottom of this message.

Excerpt from Public Law 102-25

"Persian Gulf Supplemental Authorization" P.L. 102-25. BILL TITLE: PERSIAN GULF CONFLICT SUPPLEMENTAL AUTHORIZATION AND PERSONNEL BENEFITS ACT OF 1991 Public Law: 102-25 Signed by President Bush on April 6, 1991.

SECTION 2. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.
(a) AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized, subject to subsection (b), to use United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (1990) in order to achieve implementation of Security Council Resolutions 660, 661, 662, 664, 665, 666, 667, 669, 670, 674, and 677.
 

SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS: For the purposes of this Act: (3) The term `Persian Gulf conflict' means the period beginning on August 2, 1990, and ending thereafter on the date prescribed by Presidential proclamation or by law.
Further excerpts
here

You may note that this was signed into law on the exact day the Persian Gulf War cease-fire agreement was accepted by Iraq.  The US is a member of the UN, individually invoked sections of the War Powers Resolution, and US Congress provided for US enforcment of UN resolutions 12 years ago.

[Kieran]

Unless the US can prove that Iraq was a genuine threat and that an attack was imminent the US will to the rest of the world be international criminals, liars, breakers of treaties, warmongerers and untrustworthy. You signed the UN Charter, as did most other nations in good faith.

You are a hypocrit. And BTW, aren't there other names on that list of countries you revile? Or is your anger directed at the US alone.

Up for another 500 posts? Or do you want to admit you are a war criminal now?

[Kieran]

Did you not state your country was involved in the NATO airstrikes that occurred without UN approval?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[Yeager]

US will to the rest of the world be international criminals, liars, breakers of treaties, warmongerers and untrustworthy.
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There ya go, siding with North Korea again