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Offline Crapgame

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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2004, 12:01:13 PM »
More sniveling from the leftists who howled about the California recall. The problem here is the left can't see the forest for the trees as usual. The people of Venezuela are in effect conducting the same exercise that the people of California did last year. Of course thats a scary analogy to the left.

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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2004, 01:26:50 PM »
I heard the focus of 'Regime Change' was going to shift away from oil, to Self-righteous, little, whining countries.

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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2004, 03:05:11 PM »
As an alternate view to Charon's proferred article:
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A third OPEC country which has recently fallen out with the US government is Venezuela and it too has been showing disloyalty to the dollar. Under Hugo Chavez's rule, Venezuela has established barter deals for trading its oil with 12 Latin American countries as well as Cuba. This means that the US is missing out on its usual subsidy and might help explain the American wish to see the back of Chavez. At the OPEC summit in September 2000, Chavez delivered to the OPEC heads of state the report of the 'International Seminar on the Future of Energy', a conference called by Chavez earlier that year to examine the future supplies of both fossil and renewable energies. One of the two key recommendations of the report was that 'OPEC take advantage of high-tech electronic barter and bi-lateral exchanges of its oil with its developing country customers', i.e. OPEC should avoid using both the dollar and the euro for many transactions.
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Well it isn't in an retail oil/petrol trade magazine that's entirely funded by advertising from the oil & petroleum industry (stop me if I'm wrong). Furthermore the Citgo article has the stench of a advert deal and an editorial initiated by sales. ;). I see Citgo is a wholly owned subsidiary of Petroleos de Venezuela S.A., the company whose entire board was sacked by Chavez in January 2002 and then mostly reinstated a couple of weeks later, a move that angered it's executives. No sour grapes there, then.
This Cóilín Nunan guy of course has his own anti-corporate greenie axe to grind, but somewhere between the two articles we might just find a glimmer of the truth.

That said, US policy in Latin America seems to have long held the belief that democracy is a bad idea. Possibly because those democratic governments have a nasty habit of nationalising stuff that a lot of multinational corporations want.
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2004, 03:49:44 PM »
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That said, US policy in Latin America seems to have long held the belief that democracy is a bad idea. Possibly because those democratic governments have a nasty habit of nationalising stuff that a lot of multinational corporations want.


Democratically elected govenments don't nationalize industries, dictators do.

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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2004, 03:51:22 PM »
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I heard the focus of 'Regime Change' was going to shift away from oil, to Self-righteous, little, whining countries.


Hey!
He threatend us...We're being opressed!
Most americans dont have a clue what their goverment does or the effects of its policies. The exact same action can be either demonic or angelic, impossible or unavoidable depending on what the box tells them to think.

The US has been blatently turning on the propaganda machine against Venezuala since Bush took power.  

Canada makes tax revenue from the sale of its natrural resources, as does the US and most every other country. The US has invaded Iraq to set up just shuch a scheme. But if the Venezualans try to do just that they are mad. They are "destabilizing" their overwhelmingly popular elected president is a dictator. Bent on a mad scheme of paying for a better life for the people that elected him by taxing oil exports to pay for infastructure that the oligachy totaly neglected while they skimmed the profits of oil production for themselves.

Taxing Oil producion is now equated with Castro.

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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2004, 04:20:31 PM »
spot on pongo.
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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2004, 04:30:06 PM »
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Democratically elected govenments don't nationalize industries, dictators do.


Obviosly there are many on this board that can read Orwell and not see what the big deal is.

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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2004, 04:37:30 PM »
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Most americans dont have a clue what their goverment does or the effects of its policies.  


Well, it's a good thing we have you Canudians to give us a clue, then.

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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2004, 04:41:34 PM »
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Originally posted by ygsmilo
Democratically elected govenments don't nationalize industries, dictators do.


- Mossadegh  in Iran in '53
- Nasser in Egypt '56
- Lumumba in the Congo '61

So true....Not!

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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2004, 04:43:09 PM »
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if we find any oil in canada we will rig your elections too...  probly be better off.

lazs


good thing your super space spy sattelites cant see northern alberta...

wait a minute...this entire scandal...you did it to ensure the conservatives actually have a chance...i knew something was up...this probably has something to do with that cult your creating in maine (why else would you need so many guns)...;) :p

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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2004, 04:55:34 PM »
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Your right!

It should be US-Oilmocrazy

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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2004, 05:34:20 PM »
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Well, it's a good thing we have you Canudians to give us a clue, then.


Im a neutral observer..not an explainer.

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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2004, 05:37:38 PM »
Chavez is an evil jerk, and just this side of a dictator.  The general strike certainly wasn't fake.  The US has been pretty quiet about Venezuela considering the **** that Chavez has done to the country.  But by same token he fired/laid off over 100,000 years worth of experiance from the Venezuelan oil industry and replaced those workers with contractors from US oil companies.

Chavez is raping that country.  All this is according to a collegue of mine...who actually happens to be a Venezuelan-Canadian.  He came back when Chavez was elected because he was actually one of the few that saw the writing on the wall.  Chaves and democracy shouldn't be used in the same sentence.

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« Reply #28 on: March 01, 2004, 05:40:55 PM »
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- Mossadegh  in Iran in '53
- Nasser in Egypt '56
- Lumumba in the Congo '61

So true....Not!


Ya got me there, gotta stop posting while the markets are open.

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« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2004, 05:42:45 PM »
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Obviosly there are many on this board that can read Orwell and not see what the big deal is.






I thought you were a neutral observer..not an explainer.