Spain Popular Party Defeated

[MrCoffee]

Originally posted by CyranoAH
Gixer, the bombing in Madrid caused a lot of grief and affliction.

The government lying to us about the bombings caused a massive public backlash. And with good reason.

Daniel

I think the significance here is not that the popular gov sided with America in going to Iraq which is or is not a good thing and is debatable. Spain sided with America because of 911 as did much of the world. The real sigificance is that the popular gov took action against outside terrorism and could not protect its people from internal terrorism. I believe tnis is why the people of spain are upset.

[CyranoAH]

Originally posted by MrCoffee
I think the significance here is not that the popular gov sided with America in going to Iraq which is or is not a good thing and is debatable. Spain sided with America because of 911 as did much of the world. The real sigificance is that the popular gov took action against outside terrorism and could not protect its people from internal terrorism. I believe tnis is why the people of spain are upset.

Sorry, but I can't agree with that. We were upset because we felt manipulated. The Popular Party did not do much wrong in their first mandate, but having the absolute majority turned them into a "absolutist" kind of government, ignoring the will of the people.

Even without the bombings, the poll prospects were that they would not hold on to the absolute majority, and that a coalition of left-wing parties would throw them out of government anyway.

Daniel

[Cabby44]

I'd say that if Spain elected a "coalition of Left Wing parties" then Spain gets the government they deserve......

Quote:

"And yes... one of the Socialist's pre-election promises was pulling out of Iraq if UN isn't in charge there before June, 30."

You better pull-out(or, er, run) then.   The UN ain't gonna be "in charge" of Iraq.  

C.

[MrCoffee]

CyranoAH, I dont mean to speak for you or anybody from spain. You are a spaniard so you know better than I do. I can only imagine of a bomb went off in Disneyland or something. Cant even contemplate that.

[ravells]

That was utterly insensitive.

I'm sure you would have flamed someone who had posted what you did after 9/11.

Idiot.

Ravs

[Gixer]

Originally posted by john9001
it is a clear victory for al Qaeda , you infidels can expect more bombings, the sword of allah will strike again , god willing.   [/QUOTE

Stupid insensitive post, suppose to be funny?

[john9001]

ravells, it is unfortunate that you do not understand that this will only encourage al qaeda to kill more innocent people to get their way. go hide under your bed, maybe the bad mans will go away.

you cannot 'negotiate' with madmen, you can only kill them.

and calling me a 'idiot' is a personal attack.

no gixer, it was not suposed to be 'funny' it was suposed to introduce you to the real world.

[ravells]

Fine, John. I'll remember this and express much the same sentiments the next time American people die and their families are shattered.

In the same way you did: it is a clear victory for al Qaeda , you infidels can expect more bombings, the sword of allah will strike again , god willing.

Let's see how 'funny' you find it then.

Sadly, you are even more of an idiot to try and justify what you said rather than make a simple apology.

Ravs

[Thud]

Originally posted by john9001
and calling me a 'idiot' is a personal attack.

he didn't call you an idiot, your post did....:

it is a clear victory for al Qaeda , you infidels can expect more bombings, the sword of allah will strike again , god willing.

[bounder]

Originally posted by john9001
it is a clear victory for al Qaeda , you infidels can expect more bombings, the sword of allah will strike again , god willing.  

nice john9001

talk about dropping a stinking **** in. jesus.

[john9001]

i think it was 'insensitive' for the al qaeda to kill 200 innocent civilians and wound 1400 others (some who may still die) and yes,they will try to attack the USA again, maybe your country can  negotiate a 'peace treaty' with al qaeda and stay neutral.

[ravells]

Oh look at you, John, the voice of reason.

In case it had skipped your tiny brain (<-- personal attack) completely there are Spaniards on this board who have no wish to be lectured by you when they are going through a grieving process.

You are the Idiot of all idiots. Honestly! Shut up. the world will be a better place for it.

Ravs

[Nefarious]

They had a democratic election not a peace accord with Al Qaeda John.

[CyranoAH]

The first thing the newly elected PM said was that his first and most important task would be to fight terrorism of any kind. If you think that we voted the popular party out of the government because we want to make a truce with Al Qaeda... boy you are mistaken.

We want to fight terrorism even more now, and remember we HAVE been fighting terrorism for some decades now.

We just want our government to reflect the will of the spanish people, and not go to war when 90% of the population is against it.

As I said, the results without the bombings wouldn't have been THAT different. They wouldn't have had the absolute majority, and no party wanted to unite forces with the Popular Party in Spain, wonder why that is.

Daniel

PS: Oh and my guess is that after the bombings, the spanish government will NOT withdraw our troops from Iraq as a symbol of doing exactly what the terrorists don't want us to do.

[MrCoffee]

The truly sad thing is that terrorism can never be eliminated. Perhaps Al Qaeda or various criminal militant terrorist groups can be eventually killed but terrorism itslef can never be eliminated. How can you eliminate a "thing" or methodology.