What rights have we lost as U.S. citizens?

[MrLars]

I've lost my ability to proudly proclaim, without retaliation,  that I'm an American in a lot of countrys.

That, to me, is the saddest part of living under the Bush administration.

[Thrawn]

I learned a new term today.

"Cognitive Dissonance  
 
Cognitive dissonance is a psychological phenomenon which refers to the discomfort felt at a discrepancy between what you already know or believe, and new information or interpretation. It therefore occurs when there is a need to accommodate new ideas, and it may be necessary for it to develop so that we become "open" to them. Neighbour (1992) makes the generation of appropriate dissonance into a major feature of tutorial (and other) teaching: he shows how to drive this kind of intellectual wedge between learners' current beliefs and "reality".
 
 
Beyond this benign if uncomfortable aspect, however, dissonance can go "over the top", leading to two interesting side-effects for learning:

- if someone is called upon to learn something which contradicts what they already think they know — particularly if they are committed to that prior knowledge — they are likely to resist the new learning. Even Carl Rogers recognised this. Accommodation is more difficult than Assimilation, in Piaget's terms.
             
- if learning something has been difficult, uncomfortable, or even humiliating enough, people are not likely to admit that the content of what has been learned is not valuable. To do so would be to admit that one has been "had", or "conned"."  

http://www.dmu.ac.uk/~jamesa/learning/dissonance.htm

[crowMAW]

Originally posted by Martlet
Still waiting for ONE person to give me ONE example of a right they have lost.

Westy obviously lost the right to comprehension.

Holden lost one of FDR's four freedoms.

crow lost track of the conversation topic.

And Martlet has lost the argument...

[Martlet]

Originally posted by crowMAW
And Martlet has lost the argument...

What argument?  I'm still waiting for you to toss a few examples up here.  Did you find some?  Share them!

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Martlet
Still waiting for ONE person to give me ONE example of a right they have lost.

Holden lost one of FDR's four freedoms.

Didn't say I lost it, I made the comment that it appeared someone was cowering waiting for Ashcroft to knock on his door and take him away ala' Peron's Argentina.

I do not fear this so I have not lost my 'freedom from fear' although we should all remain true to our American heritage of being distrustful of a too powerful government.

[hawker238]

I'm sorry, but this deserves yelling.


WE GAVE YOU THE RIGHTS THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE LOST.  THE ARGUMENT THAT YOU DID NOT ACTUALLY LOSE THOSE RIGHTS BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T BEEN PUNISHED ACCORDINGLY FOR THEM IS A FOOLISH, WEAK ARGUMENT AND A VAIN ATTEMPT TO TRY AND CREATE THE ILLUSION YOU ARE STILL IN CONTROL OF THE ARGUMENT.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by hawker238
I'm sorry, but this deserves yelling.


WE GAVE YOU THE RIGHTS THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE LOST.

Wrong, God gave me all of my rights at birth.

[Glasses]

Joey Ramone said it best......


 She went away for the holidays
Said she's going to LA
But she never got there
She never got there’s
She never got there, they say

She went away for the holidays
Said she's going to LA
But she never got there
She never got there,
She never got there, they say

The KKK took my baby away
They took her away, away from me
The KKK took my baby away
They took her away, away from me

Now I don't know where my baby can be
They took her from me they took her from me
I don't know where my baby can be
They took her from me they took her from me

Ring me, ring me, ring me up the president
And find out where my baby went
Ring me, ring me, ring me up the FBI
And find out if my baby’s alive, yeah, yeah, yeah

Ooo... ooo... ooo...

She went away for holidays
Said she's going to LA
But she never got there
She never got there’s
She never got there, they say

She went away for holidays
Said she's going to LA
But she never got there
She never got there’s
She never got there, they say

The KKK took my baby away
They took her away, away from me
The KKK took my baby away
They took her away, away from me

The KKK took my baby away
They took her away, away from me
The KKK took my baby away
They took my girl, they took my baby away

[Eagler]

that was actually a song? someone put that to music and sold it? and someone actually bought it???

LOL

yeah, he / she / it  "said it best" whatever "it" was, maybe the elusive rights mean ole bush has stripped from us  ... LOL:rofl

[crowMAW]

Originally posted by Martlet
What argument?  I'm still waiting for you to toss a few examples up here.  Did you find some?  Share them!

This comment just proves you lost the argument.

On the other hand, we are waiting for you to refute the examples we have all given so far.  Until you do you are a looser.

Better luck next time...

[Martlet]

Originally posted by crowMAW
This comment just proves you lost the argument.

On the other hand, we are waiting for you to refute the examples we have all given so far.  Until you do you are a looser.

Better luck next time...

Refute thin air?  You haven't GIVEN any examples.

Nice try though, now hurry up, the short bus is blowing it's horn.

[Thrawn]

"Refute thin air? You haven't GIVEN any examples."


Actually several have been.  You are the only one that seems think otherwise.  Read over cognitive dissonance.  You worked on GWB's campaign right?  You probably just can't accept that you were so wrong about someone.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Thrawn
"Refute thin air? You haven't GIVEN any examples."


Actually several have been.  You are the only one that seems think otherwise.  Read over cognitive dissonance.  You worked on GWB's campaign right?  You probably just can't accept that you were so wrong about someone.

Ahhh, the Canadian, self-proclaimed expert on all things American.

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by Martlet
You haven't GIVEN any examples.

 Ok Martlet, We are living in the free country, your right is to live in denial if you want. I'll give you few examples to each of the statements I made... Now, I did not take Patriot Act into account yet...

I have lost right to travel to certain countries
Cuba for example... Restrictions includes all tourist travel. Mind you, Bush vetoed Senate vote on easying the restrictions.
http://shr.aaas.org/rtt/policy.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2004/TRAVEL/02/09/cuba.travel.ap/
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200310%5CPOL20031030b.html
http://usinfo.state.gov/gi/Archive/2003/Oct/15-270865.html
http://www.montanaforum.com/rednews/2003/10/24/build/accountability/travel-cuba.php?nnn=3
and 1000s links more on google.com

I have lost right of fair use...
Infamous DMCA, guess you heard about it.
http://dc.internet.com/news/article.php/1565901
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2001/7/23/23214/3438
http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/report/news/2003/may14/public-514.html
and 1000s links more on google.com
 
I have lost right to defend my life and property...
Just too many to list, but I'm sure, you as hardcore conservative, know this topic all too well
 
I have lost right to due process...
Material Witness Law. Patriot Act makes it even more scarry. This is the most concerning to me, since it has been abused way before we got "terrorist" problem, but you don't have to worry since you're the law abiding citizen. Right? Wrong...
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1067351008834
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A31438-2002Nov23
This one is interesting, a bit off topic though: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22842
 
I have lost right to privacy in my own home...
Thanks to Ashcroft, FBI can spy on citizens, even where there is no evidence of specific criminal activity. This is nothing new, some still remember 70s, Martin Luther King, KKK and other spying incidents.
Again, too many sources, so I won't list any. Try Google with search words: FBI, Spying, Privacy, Carnivore, and combination of thereof.
Interestingly, FBI obviously still can't do the job and requesting even for more tools to spy on citizens.

I have lost freedom of speech...
Well, I'm sure you know the US Constitution, especially the first Amendment. But for others who don't:
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
It means government shall not censor. Now look at the FCC Rules and Regulations http://www.fcc.gov/searchtools.html#rules
 
And I can't do it dogie style if I travel SE states...
Well, this one doesn't affect me as much, but I'm sure that sexual life of all the law abiding citizens(and heterosexual) in  Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia, must be pretty boring...
 
Just something to brighten your day, err, ignorance...
http://www.qrd.org/qrd/usa/legal/1992/AL-sodomy-law-text-05.07.92

Luckily, with the latest Supreme Court ruling, citizens of above states will be able to perform "deviant" sex soon again.

Ain't world beautiful?

[kappa]

LoL   what an exercise in mental masturbation...