What rights have we lost as U.S. citizens?

[Stoned Gecko]

Originally posted by Martlet
covering it is much different than simply answering his question.


You "fearing" you are going to lose your rights is far different than actually losing them.

Define "loss of a right" and "fearing loss of a right" please.

[Holden McGroin]

he has already lost his "freedom from fear",  one of FDR's four freedoms.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
he has already lost his "freedom from fear",  One of FDR's four freedoms.

FDR wrote the bill of rights?  There were only 4 of them?

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

I've come to the conclusion that no combination of words can describe to Martlet just exactly whats going on. You are exactly the person I was describing when I said, YOU won't care until YOU'VE actually lost rights to the point YOU are screwed and no one can help you.

Enjoy your complacency, the federal government loves you.
-SW

[Holden McGroin]

FDR wrote the bill of rights? There were only 4 of them?

No, FDR spoke of the Four Freedoms.

[obvious mode]FDR lived mostly in the 20th century, so he couldn't have written the Bill of Rights, which was written in the 18th.

The Bill of Rights gives us no rights anyway. [/obvious mode]

His choice to give up his freedom from fear is his alone, no one can take that freedom away.  He must let it go willingly.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
No, FDR spoke of the Four Freedoms.

[obvious mode]FDR lived mostly in the 20th century, so he couldn't have written the Bill of Rights, which was written in the 18th.

The Bill of Rights gives us no rights anyway. [/obvious mode]

His choice to give up his freedom from fear is his alone, no one can take that freedom away.  He must let it go willingly.

So what are we talking about, then?  Are we instead trying to provide an example of how the PA took away one of FDR's 4 freedoms?  I could probably come up with an example of that.

[Pei]

Originally posted by Martlet
covering it is much different than simply answering his question.


You "fearing" you are going to lose your rights is far different than actually losing them.

So by your reasoning:

If I have a car and someone steals, I haven't actually lost the car until I need to drive it?

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Pei
So by your reasoning:

If I have a car and someone steals, I haven't actually lost the car until I need to drive it?

Um, no.  It's against the law to steal a car.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Pei
If I have a car and someone steals, I haven't actually lost the car until I need to drive it?

Better to draw the parallel that you lose your car if you are too fearful of accident that you cannot bring yourself to drive it.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Hilarious. Ironically hilarious. Hilariously ironic.

So something that is yours, ie a car or a right, and it is taken from you but you don't realise it until you need it... it wasn't actually taken because its illegal to take it?

You got one too many swirlies as a child Martlet, they killed too many brain cells.
-SW

[Pei]

Originally posted by Martlet
Um, no.  It's against the law to steal a car.

What's that go to do with the analogy?


Let me reduce it even further.

Say the Law says I have a right to X in circumstance A, where X is some right and A is some set of circumstances. The government changes the law such that I no longer have access to X. In your reasoning I haven't lost the right X until circumstance A occurs? Or are you saying that if I am a good and well behaved citizen  then I should never get into A and therefore X is irrelevant?


Given these things do you:

1) Support the such rights as the right to bear arms?

2) Trust that people in power are always as well behaved, well intentioned and incapable of making mistakes as you assume all decent citizens are?

[Sandman]

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Pei
What's that go to do with the analogy?


Let me reduce it even further.

Say the Law says I have a right to X in circumstance A, where X is some right and A is some set of circumstances. The government changes the law such that I no longer have access to X. In your reasoning I haven't lost the right X until circumstance A occurs? Or are you saying that if I am a good a weel behaved citizen  then I should never get into A and therefore X is irrelevant?


Given these things do you:

1) Support the such rights as the right to bear arms?

2) Trust that people in power are always as well behaved, well intentioned and incapable of making mistakes as you assume all decent citizens are?

I'm saying that if you obey the law, you have nothing to worry about.  

1.  yes

2.  no

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Hilarious. Ironically hilarious. Hilariously ironic.

So something that is yours, ie a car or a right, and it is taken from you but you don't realise it until you need it... it wasn't actually taken because its illegal to take it?

You got one too many swirlies as a child Martlet, they killed too many brain cells.
-SW

You have trouble reading.  Ask someone to help you.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

You have immense troubles with comprehension, no one can help you.
-SW

[Martlet]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
You have immense troubles with comprehension, no one can help you.
-SW

Are you just here to insult me, or were you planning on giving an example?

Either way I don't mind, I'm just wondering if I can continue to skip your posts due to lack of content.