Christianity Debunked???

[Chairboy]

I know my last post had some anger in it, so please let me follow up with something a little less flammable.

I understand that many people feel they need religion and find comfort in worship.  Religion should be a private thing, after all, what can be more personal then your connection with the very essence of creation?

My problem exists with religion being used to control others.  Every time someone tries to ban, outlaw, or regulate something because it goes against their religious convictions, they are essentially bullying all non-believers into line.

When you use your religion to controls others, I feel you've crossed a terrible line.

[hyena426]

My problem exists with religion being used to control others. Every time someone tries to ban, outlaw, or regulate something because it goes against their religious convictions, they are essentially bullying all non-believers into line.

goverment controlls you more than the church down the street,,lol they ban,outlaw and regulate,church has hardly any say in any political things anymore,,church and state are seperate,,heck you cant even bring a bible into a school with out going to jail,,,lol,,i bet money you can take a school book into a church with out going to jail

if a church is pushing there religion on you,,then that church hasnt been reading its bible very much,,i asked a  preacher i know once about that,,and showed me in the bible were it talks about preaching apon death ears!!,,pretty much saying,,dont bother tring to force religion on people who dont care to hear,,because its a waste of time and breath!!

I will give you two reasons to be a bigot of organized religion.

what about stalin mr anti religion him self,,how many people did he kill? 6 million? or more?,,lol,,cant blame religion because of a few nuts,,going to get nuts on both side of every religion and every organization in the world!! its called power and its corrupts even the best harted of people

im not even a hard core bible thumper,,but is amazing me how many people are attacked for there belief,,instead of just leaving them alone,,no one pushing anything on you,, if your not man anuff to stand up and tell them to leave you alone,,then its your own falt,,its not that hard to tell some one at your door to leave and not come back,,lol i know freinds who have done this too religous fokes,,and they dont come back to there house anymore,,lol,,i got freinds who are athiest<~~i never talk or push my religion on them,,im not tring to save them,,even know there my freinds,,because i know they dont wanna hear about it,,or they would of asked me in the first place,,lol

[Munkii]

Originally posted by storch
You either worship the one true God or the father of all lies, irrespective of his current manifestations.  allah, buddah, voodoo, athieism, agnosticsim, wiccans, animists or anything other than God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit all in one is Satan worship.  

You had better get busy then, trying to convert.  You realize that if you exclude all the other religions you are horribly outnumbered.  At least I won't be lonely in hell I guess.

There are more than 2 billion buddists (that's including all forms of the buddist religion), and another billion hindu's, that's 1/2 the world there.  Throw in all the Muslims, Jews, Wiccans, Satanists (which by extension is christianity/judism), and all the african and american religions and your in the absolute miniority.

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Munkii
You had better get busy then, trying to convert.  You realize that if you exclude all the other religions you are horribly outnumbered.  At least I won't be lonely in hell I guess.

There are more than 2 billion buddists (that's including all forms of the buddist religion), and another billion hindu's, that's 1/2 the world there.  Throw in all the Muslims, Jews, Wiccans, Satanists (which by extension is christianity/judism), and all the african and american religions and your in the absolute miniority.

Your figures are quite inaccurate. Therea re nearly 2 billion christians, it is the largest religion by far.

http://www.zpub.com/un/pope/relig.html

[VAQ]

I am a Frisbeetarian.  I believe that when I die my soul will rise from my body and get stuck on the roof of my house.

[Munkii]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Your figures are quite inaccurate. Therea re nearly 2 billion christians, it is the largest religion by far.

http://www.zpub.com/un/pope/relig.html

Do you believe everything you read on the internet, especially from religions that have been proven to lie?


























::stirs the pot some more::

[GRUNHERZ]

It is clear that christianity is by far the largest religion, no legitimate source disputres that.

[Torque]

Religion has always been used as a crutch by the weak minded and pervert throughtout the centuries to justify the repression and genocide of others.

You're organic so you live then died and decay.

[Otto]

Originally posted by VAQ
I am a Frisbeetarian.  I believe that when I die my soul will rise from my body and get stuck on the roof of my house.

I can see that happening.  I need to think about this...

[Sandman]

According to the 2001 ARIS study:

 81% of American adults identify themselves with a specific religion: 76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian. This is a major slide from 86.2% in 1990. Identification with Christianity has suffered a loss of 9.7 percentage points in 11 years -- about 0.9 percentage points per year. This decline is identical to that observed in Canada between 1981 and 2001. If this trend continues, then by about the year 2042, non-Christians will outnumber the Christians in the U.S. 52% of Americans identified themselves as Protestant.
 24.5% are Roman Catholic.
 
 1.3% are Jewish.
 0.5% are Muslim, followers of Islam.
 The fastest growing religion (in terms of percentage) is Wicca -- a Neopagan religion that is sometimes referred to as Witchcraft. Numbers of adherents went from 8,000 in 1990 to 134,000 in 2001. Their numbers of adherents are doubling about every 30 months. 4,5 Wiccans in Australia have a very similar growth pattern, from fewer than 2,000 in 1996 to 9,000 in 2001. 10 In Canada, Wiccans and other Neopagans showed the greatest percentage growth of any faith group. They totaled 21,080 members in 1991, an increase of 281% from.
 
 14.1% do not follow any organized religion. This is an unusually rapid increase -- almost a doubling -- from only 8% in 1990. There are more Americans who say they are not affiliated with any organized religion than there are Episcopalians, Methodists, and Lutherans taken together. 6
 The unaffiliated vary from a low of 3% in North Dakota to 25% in Washington State. "The six states with the highest percentage of people saying they have no religion are all Western states, with the exception of Vermont at 22%." 6

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm

[-dead-]

Originally posted by Eagler
for one year, everyday, find a quiet place where you will not be disturbed for an hour

tune the world out by just counting ur breaths to 10 then repeat.
do not think of anything else while doing this. when the mind strays, go back to counting ur breath. make ur mind as calm as a lake right before a summer afternoon rainstorm, flat as glass.

do this for a year and come back and tell me there isn't a divine spark inside you, every one of you - through which we are all connected

you'll find ur mind is like a herd of wild horses and you do not control it, it controls you. with practice you can reverse this, if you try and stick with it. most are too busy running off at the mouth or running around doing whatever the mind tells them that has to be done "right now'. once the monkey mind is calm, you will see/feel life as you were intended to - b4 u got so "busy"
the treasure is there at the bottom of the lake, you just can't see it as the winds of ur mind keep the surface of the lake so churned up it is impossible to see through it

see you in a year

Psychedelics get you to the sort of brain change you're on about even faster, Eagler - and there's the rub. Psilocybin, LSD or DMT all work wonders - visions of the divine, conversation with the holy guardian angel, samdhi, darshan, satori - whatever you want to call it - every culture has a name for it (surprise, surprise).
But these religious visions come with a nasty atheistic caveat emptor: Gods not included. That's right, you're going to have to go down to church and get an off the peg god or make your own bespoke tailored divinity to put in to this experience.
It's all very fascinating, divine and mystical, but at the end of the day it's a few chemicals acting on a few brain receptors, and it all wears off after a time. Damn fine fun, but it proves nothing other than very small doses of chemicals can change how your brain works. Same applies with the meditation/yoga you're recommending: distort your brain chemistry through physiological change and you will see the divine.
The mind is great fun to play with, but if you mess about with your mind enough, and ponder what these induced distortions mean, you begin to see the wisdom in and grasp the meaning of the Zen Koan which asks "who is the master who makes the grass green?" (see caveat above for a hint).

[RedTop]

Originally posted by Torque
Religion has always been used as a crutch by the weak minded and pervert throughtout the centuries to justify the repression and genocide of others.

You're organic so you live then died and decay.

[Chairboy]

Ok, you rolled your eyes, RedTop, but how is that any less likely then you die and are whisked to a magical land of white clouds, pearly gates, and people with wings on their backs?

[hyena426]

Religion has always been used as a crutch by the weak minded and pervert throughtout the centuries to justify the repression and genocide of others.

then what crutch is everyone else using? it isnt just religous people who repress and do genocide,,like i said before,,stalin was anti religous,,repress his people for years,,,how many people did he kill?,,got to realize people in power are going to do bad things if your religous or not,,jim jones was a nut cass,,but i would say stalin was a million times worse!!

[Frogm4n]

Originally posted by storch
Sure about that? Plato predated God?  Let's go to origin.  The beginning before time,  Now here is where I will digress with the majority of the whole planet.  I believe that every word in The Holy Bible is True and written by God through man with guidance of the Holy Spirit.  So, in that context and from that world view.

Genesis 1:1

  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Now the earth was formless and empty. (pretty cool concept, yet to be disproven and in fact agreed upon by most geophysicists, and this was grasped and understood then written down by whom?) Darkness was over the deep, and the spirit of God was moving over the waters.  Read, God spoke it (or willed it) and BANG it happened.  Thus your big bang theory.  Let's skip down a ways.

Genesis 1:26

Then God said "Let us create man in our own image, (some translations say "Let us make man in our own image") in our likeness".

First question here.  Who was this "us" he is referring to?

Second question.  Does God have a body?


Us is the Triune God.  God in three persons The Blessed Trinity. God The Father, God The Son and God the Holy Spirit.

If God hasn't a body then we must also be Spiritual Beings in order to be in his likeness.

Let me direct your attention to nature.  how do we differ from the other carbon based life forms that share this satellite with us?

Why are most people looking through Hubble for answers when they lie within?  You pagans crack me up.  The lenghts you go to to justify your folly.

Its hard for me to believe that a book commissioned by the emporer of rome is the "abosolute truth".
I personally dont think man kinda is enlightend enough to understand the abosolute truth of the universe, or even if their is one. I Just live my life , and be a good person in my society. If i am wrong and their is a god that sends me to a 'hell' for the sole reason of not believeing in it; i would prefer to be in a level of existance that does not contain such a spitefull creature.