WTG Israel

[NUKE]

Originally posted by GScholz
Europeans have plenty of blood on their hands. However we don't need your atrocities on our hands as well ... like I said we got plenty. People like NUKE and Curly here that seem to want to blame Europeans for your

I just pointed out the FACT that the Spanish, French, British and Mexicans took almost all of the Indians land, and most of it  before the US even existed. That's all I said...that the Europeans took the Native American's land. I also offered proof, but I didn't see any takers.

Also, the Native Americans fought against and slaughtered each other and took each other's land as well.

[Capt. Pork]

Originally posted by Capt. Pork


300 posts-- Women's roles are investigated, not just in this crisis, but in all acts of oppression between ancient Egypt and today.


550-- PETA is trolled

It's happening! Albeit in other posts, but what the hell!

[Thrawn]

Norway is responsible for lutefisk, all other crimes against humanity pale in comparison.

[Capt. Pork]

Please!!!! Let this thread degrade to a contest of who's drunker than who...It's what it was born to become anyway.

[NUKE]

I wonder why the Native Americans in Canada are never mentioned? After all, didn't the Europeans took their land as well?

[Hajo]

After all the years of violence.  Suicide Bombings etc.  One would think that both sides would realize that they've not accomplished a thing.

Logic SHOULD prevail...you'd think that someone on either or both sides would notice that nothings been accomplished.  One would surmise that Hey!  Maybe we oughta try something else?
Killing one another hasn't gotten either side anywhere.

They are both imho stupid idiots for continuing to raise their children in that environment.......they are reaping the harvest of what they've planted....they both are deserving of what they get.

Someone should speak out and say...let's try to bring this to resolution without killing our children.  Let's give our children and ourselves a better environment in which to live.

Until the present paradigm is changed, the rule is what goes around...comes around....guess it's stupidity.

[bozon]

Nilsen10:
Like it or not folks, the war on terror is in a way a popularity contest

Well, perhaps if you live in Norway it is. It gets a lot more personal if they are trying to kill YOU.

Hajo
Logic SHOULD prevail...you'd think that someone on either or both sides would notice that nothings been accomplished. One would surmise that Hey! Maybe we oughta try something else?

Logic does not exist in nature. It's a human invention and therefor relative. what seems logical to you is illogical to another. what seems logical to you NOW might not seem logical later.
Again, like I stated above, logic instantly flips and twists when the bullets are whisteling above your own head.

Saying that, I can only wish for the Palestinian leaders to strap on their bombs and walk into an Israeli goverment meeting - thus ridding us all of they existance in one swoop.

Bozon

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by NUKE
I wonder why the Native Americans in Canada are never mentioned? After all, didn't the Europeans took their land as well?

Indeed.  The proplem is that most people aren't very interested in Canada.  We slide under radar, so to speak.

There's a futher problem with the issue of crimes commited in Canada under the authority of the British Empire.  And the crimes commited by the Dominion of Canada as an independant nation state.

But rest assured, Canada as a nation state certainly did commit horrible attrocities against our indigeonous peoples.

Now what exactly did you wish to discuss?

[AKcurly]

Originally posted by GScholz
I wouldn't presume to talk for the Finns, but no ... Norway does not have a minority population that hasn't "fared well" over the past 100 years ... with the notable exception of the Jews when we were occupied by the Germans in WWII.

Samis.  It's not difficult to find Samis who are unhappy GScholz.  Some claim systematic elimination of Sami culture and language.  Some claim interference by religious authorities in the 19th century and evidently, there were a number of Samis murdered.  Nothing on the scale of the North American natives, mind you.

curly

[ramzey]

Eagler , you are strange man
one day you protest against blood on windshield in AH2, next one you are happy beucose 8 people die during suirgical military "operation".

Originally posted by Dowding
I'd re-check your sources if I was you. The conflict has escalated over the last few years.

Year; # of Israelis killed in terror attacks
1978: 12
1979: 14
1980: 10
1981: 5
1982: 2
1983: 6
1984: 7
1985: 14
1986: 7
1987: 5
1988: 14
1989: 32
1990: 23
1991: 26
1992: 39

2000: 41
2001: 201
2002: 384
2003: 174

Yes, there really has been a decrease in the 1990s...

1.Hotel King David, 22 VII, 1946.
2. Sharafat, 7 II, 1951.
3. Deir Yassin, 10 IV 1948.
4. Falameh, 2 IV, 1951.
5. Naseruddine 14 IV 1948.
6. Quibya, 14 X, 1953.
7. Carmel, 20 IV, 1948. 8. Nahalin, 28 III 1954.
9. Al-Qabu, 1 V, 1948.
10. Gaza, 28 II, 1955.
11. Beit Kiras, 3 V, 1948.
12. Khan Yunis, 31 V, 1955.
13. Beitkhoury, V, 1948.
14. Khan Yunis, ponownie, 31 VIII 1955.
15. Az-Zaytoun, 6 V, 1948.
16. Tyberia, 11 XII, 1955.
17. Adi Araba, 13 V 1950.
18. As-Sabha, 2 XI 1955.
19. Gaza, ponownie, 5 V 1956.
20. Houssan, 25 IX, 1956.
21. Rafa, 16 VIII 1956.
22. Qalqilyah, 10 X, 1956
23. Ar-Rahwa, 12 IX 1956.
24. Kahr Kassem, 29 X, 1956.
25. Gharandal, 13 IX, 1956.
26. Gaza Strip,XI1956.

[Naso]

Originally posted by bozon
Saying that, I can only wish for the Palestinian leaders to strap on their bombs and walk into an Israeli goverment meeting - thus ridding us all of they existance in one swoop.

Bozon

A nice dream, get my vote.

[Nilsen]

LOL Thrawn...You have a very good point with the lutefisk, but you also forgot aquavit..yuck!

I understand that it gets more personal when they try to kill you bozon but continual revenge from both sides is never gonna solve anything. I stand by my statement bozon, and that is prolly because i dont have any stong feelings for neither side in this conflict. I do however have strong feelings about the methods used both by your goverment and of course by the terrorist you have to deal with.

Everytime a bomb goes of down there bozon i think about you and hope that you and your family are ok. That does not prevent me in any way to see that there are 2 sides in this fight.

[Staga]

Originally posted by AKcurly
Samis.  It's not difficult to find Samis who are unhappy GScholz.  Some claim systematic elimination of Sami culture and language.  Some claim interference by religious authorities in the 19th century and evidently, there were a number of Samis murdered.  Nothing on the scale of the North American natives, mind you.

curly

Sounds strange.
Samis have been living hundreds, maybe thousands of years, in these countries with other habitants.
I Agree their culture is in danger but that's because younger samis are moving southern parts of these countries and are mixing with majority or they are just not interested to wear traditional clothes or herding reindeers.

btw I happen to know couple, one was singer in a band and she visited us on our club.
She told that some samis weren't too happy when that band made english album and those same bigots begun to insult them and criticize them.
Maybe those people who are so afraid that their language is fading away should support those who are makeing their culture known and not slander them like some frigging Farrakhan when they are trying to earn their living.

[Naso]

About the native american's sub-theme of this thread, one funny thing popped up in my mind:

Some time ago in a discussion (the usual noodle contest type one), some of the (at those times called) ugly amurricans guys here affirmed that, since Fermi decided to flew to U.S.A. (his wife was jew), and share the knowledge acquired with his fellows of Via Panisperma with the american scientists, he has to be considered American at all effects, and his conquers of knowledge before and later his journey must be considered american, and claimed by the ole good U. S. of A.

Almost the same kind of people (now called neo-cons) here is now arguing that the atrocities committed by the U.S. of A. government of those times against the Native Americans or American Indians, or Redskins (as you like), are to be blamed on the Europeans, no matters how many generations before they had moved in to the land of opportunity.

It's interesting this schizoid point of view, where everithing subject of pride is from good ole USA, and everything bad is "someone else's fault".

It's soooo easier.

[Staga]

Originally posted by Hajo
After all the years of violence.  Suicide Bombings etc.  One would think that both sides would realize that they've not accomplished a thing.

Logic SHOULD prevail...you'd think that someone on either or both sides would notice that nothings been accomplished.  One would surmise that Hey!  Maybe we oughta try something else?
Killing one another hasn't gotten either side anywhere.

They are both imho stupid idiots for continuing to raise their children in that environment.......they are reaping the harvest of what they've planted....they both are deserving of what they get.

Someone should speak out and say...let's try to bring this to resolution without killing our children.  Let's give our children and ourselves a better environment in which to live.

Until the present paradigm is changed, the rule is what goes around...comes around....guess it's stupidity.

That about sums it up.