Author Topic: To be PC, or not to be PC.... (Read 6450 times)

Steve · « **Reply #135 on:** April 07, 2004, 10:06:50 PM »

Scooter... lol does anyone really name their kid that anymore?

Steve · « **Reply #136 on:** April 07, 2004, 10:09:24 PM »

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How would you undo the racist results of the last 400 or so years?

By this you mean that you agree we should allow the Chinese to occupy Japan for a number of years, this would undo the horrible things the Japanese did?

Minorities may love AA, I cannot blame those without foresite for doing so. The fact is that AA holds the door to racism wide open. It isn't undoing anything.

midnight Target · « **Reply #137 on:** April 07, 2004, 10:09:58 PM »

"Are Emily and Brendan More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?"

Do you want me to read it to you too?

NUKE · « **Reply #138 on:** April 07, 2004, 10:16:51 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
"Are Emily and Brendan More Employable than Lakisha and Jamal?"

Do you want me to read it to you too?

Emily and Brendon are not exclusive to white people. Are Bubba and Scooter more employable than Emily and Brandon?

The study is flawed.

SaburoS · « **Reply #139 on:** April 07, 2004, 10:17:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
So this is your excuse for advocating racism against white people? No, just showing an example of equal racism to whites as it happened to minorities.

Our ancestors committed deeds that are now considered repugnant so the living white people should pay for their misdeeds?Don't be so quick to wash the modern white man's hands so clean yet. Without AA the minorities in this country would not be anywhere near the economic equality that they have now. They still haven't reached equality, but it's better than the past. Racism still exists. The moment it doesn't to those in charge of the hiring, acceptong of applicants, etc., is the moment I'll say so to AA. The AA programs started in the '60's haven't equalized the 400 or so previous years of total oppression.

Tell you what Saburo, the Japanese brutally occupied China for many years. What say we let the Chinese occupy Japan for a like amount of time and allow them to murder and rape whom they please? Sound fair? How in the world is this relevant to our discussion??!!

NUKE · « **Reply #140 on:** April 07, 2004, 10:20:39 PM »

I win

Steve · « **Reply #141 on:** April 07, 2004, 10:24:13 PM »

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How in the world is this relevant to our discussion??!!

Well, you're saying the white people in today's America have to suffer for the deeds of their ancestors... that this is the way to undo 400 years of misdeeds. With this in mind, it's only fair that the Chinese move into Japan to rape and pillage at will to undo what the Japanese did in China. It is exactly the same scenario. This would be equal racism.
Ohhhh you don't like this... what's the matter, no white people suffering?

Stoned Gecko · « **Reply #142 on:** April 07, 2004, 10:28:35 PM »

The experiment also has another flaw as well.

The black and white resume were examined by different employers. The "white" resume might have been the best candidate for one employer, while the "black" resume might not have been the best in the stack it was in. This study assumes that the reason there was no callback is because of race and discounts all others.

A good control for this would be to send two resume's, one superior one with a "black" name on it, and a inferior one with a "white" name on it, and look at the callback rate.

Secondly, the party that's running the experiment does not know exactly what the potential employer is looking for. Unless the resumes are completely identical, there might be something in the "white" resume that would can't an employer's eye, such as a certain skill, or the way something is worded, that's not in the "black" one. Unless of course the difference is so great that not even my grandma's dog would hire that person for the position.

SaburoS · « **Reply #143 on:** April 07, 2004, 10:31:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
By this you mean that you agree we should allow the Chinese to occupy Japan for a number of years, this would undo the horrible things the Japanese did?

Minorities may love AA, I cannot blame those without foresite for doing so. The fact is that AA holds the door to racism wide open. It isn't undoing anything.

Hypothetical here:
You are now President of the USA. The Senate and Congress supports you 100%.
What programs would you support since you'll be eliminating AA. How would minorities get a fair shot?

Like I said, come up with a fairer, better program than AA and I'll support it 100%. Until then if nothing better comes along, I'll support it.
BTW, from my father's side I am German, Danish, English, and French Canadian. My mother's side, Japanese. I was born in SF., Ca., my father in LA., Ca., my grandfather in Washington State.
I'm an American, not a Japanese National, so can the what the Japanese did arguments.

NUKE · « **Reply #144 on:** April 07, 2004, 10:36:11 PM »

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Don't be so quick to wash the modern white man's hands so clean yet. Without AA the minorities in this country would not be anywhere near the economic equality that they have now.

Black athetes are a great example of how AA is used to get minorities into the higher paying jobs that they otherwise wouldn't be able to qualify for.

Steve · « **Reply #145 on:** April 07, 2004, 10:46:38 PM »

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You are now President of the USA. The Senate and Congress supports you 100%. What programs would you support since you'll be eliminating AA. How would minorities get a fair shot?

Bravo my friend! Here is the real crux of the problem!!! This is where I've been waiting for you to arrive!

You are saying that you support AA because nothing better is out there. So, since there is nothing better out there, it is ok to continue to discriminate against white people.

You are almost there.

Nothing will work until society changes. The government cannot legislate equality among the races.. it doesn't work.. AA doesn't work.. it causes resentment.... racial tension. You're willing to live w/ it, fine. If you are happy w/ the status quo, racially divisive policies, good for you! I'm telling you that there will never be anything near approaching racial harmony as long as AA is in effect. So my friend, you and those who believe in AA have purchased this "level playing field" at a dear price....enjoy.

SaburoS · « **Reply #146 on:** April 07, 2004, 10:49:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Well, you're saying the white people in today's America have to suffer for the deeds of their ancestors... that this is the way to undo 400 years of misdeeds. With this in mind, it's only fair that the Chinese move into Japan to rape and pillage at will to undo what the Japanese did in China. It is exactly the same scenario. This would be equal racism.
Ohhhh you don't like this... what's the matter, no white people suffering?

It's an apples to oranges comparison. Want to bring up the German history as well? How about we stick to American history since we're both Americans. LOL, on the whole white people are hardly suffering in today's America. Listening to your arguments, I'd get the impression that whites are being repressed in today's America. That is far from the case.

Steve · « **Reply #147 on:** April 07, 2004, 10:53:54 PM »

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It's an apples to oranges comparison.

Why? You want to show racial prejudice against white people because they were racially prejudiced in the past.

I think the Chinese should be able to rape and pillage Japan because the Japanese raped and pillaged China.

I'm using your logic.

Stoned Gecko · « **Reply #148 on:** April 07, 2004, 11:00:32 PM »

Saburo, let me put it another way, taking the race. Group A was oppressed by Group B for X amount of time. Are you saying that whatever time Group B has to get oppressed by Group A for X amount of time to "undo" the past? Exactly how does it become undone?

SaburoS · « **Reply #149 on:** April 07, 2004, 11:01:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Bravo my friend! Here is the real crux of the problem!!! This is where I've been waiting for you to arrive!

You are saying that you support AA because nothing better is out there. So, since there is nothing better out there, it is ok to continue to discriminate against white people.

You are almost there.

Nothing will work until society changes. The government cannot legislate equality among the races.. it doesn't work.. AA doesn't work.. it causes resentment.... racial tension. You're willing to live w/ it, fine. If you are happy w/ the status quo, racially divisive policies, good for you! I'm telling you that there will never be anything near approaching racial harmony as long as AA is in effect. So my friend, you and those who believe in AA have purchased this "level playing field" at a dear price....enjoy.

AA affects only a percentage of the hiring/placement for white people, it is by no means a program of "racism" against the majority of whites. Amazing how this AA program has been labeled an "evil racist" program that doesn't work.
Because of the racial devide we've had in our history, thanks to AA the near equality we see today has been the result because of it, not inspite of it. There's never been racial harmony in our past before AA. Are we "there" yet? No. Are we better off than before? You bet. We have a ways to go still.