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Offline bullett308

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« Reply #165 on: April 08, 2004, 12:45:54 AM »
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so Bullett, did you opt for the tanning lotion and a boob job or look for other means of employment?

It was prejudicial to deny you employment but it's OK and PC because you are white.


I went to work for a private ambulance service making far less money.

I am against AA I think It drives a further wedge between "white people" and none Whites.

By putting people in boxes or catagories we set ourselves up to be different form each other.

For instance why do they even bother asking what "race " you are on an application?

I used to hear dipatchers in my ambulance company give out calls like this.

45year old BLACK male complaining of chest pains.

Now what difference does it make If he was black or white?
The treatment for an Acute MI are the same.

It Is just stupid as I see It.

When I was in the Army in the 70s my room mate was a black dude and I caught more crap for rooming with a black guy you would not belive tha names I was called.

But you know what He was more of a man than any of them little boys that were pretending to be men!

So my point Is just look at a man as a man no matter what color his skin is.

And maybe someday this country will let the old wounds heal and we can acheive  the greatness we all know we can together.

So in turn dont call me a white man just call me a man.

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« Reply #166 on: April 08, 2004, 02:17:06 AM »
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btw..Assault wepaons...THE BASIC THING ..THEY ARE NOT SEMI-AUTOMATIC ONLY!!..THATS the difference..No duh! Keep ranting, but don't blow a head gasket.


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Assualt rifle in the military sense is a select fire, quick chage box magazine, with an intermediate cartridge.


sorry i just thougth you sure type more then needed..we dont need all the minute detail....Automayic is th eKEy Word..all thats is neeeded...anyways...


boo..you type to much ..but...

I strongly believe there are MORE CORRUPT CRAPPY Democrat "Leaders" then Repubs... you are in Cali right...How about you naem the crapsss repubs..ill call the disgusting Dems..Feinstein-Boxer-Burton-Black Chik From Oaktown...hell thats just the top 4 craps...



And I guess I dont feell it is becuse of 'PC'..thats we abolsihed slavery..lmfao..THAT IS common decency to me..bUT Affirmative Action..what  a LOAD of CRAP..

And you say do i talk in real life like this..are you a moron?..is this a fanatasy BB??  NO

fuq yes I do..and I will tell you to your face if I think you are a linguine Spinned Liberal.. why lie

lose sleep over it..please..maybe in your dreams...I sleep quite well at night, but thank you for caring.

hmmm nevermind .,,this went over your head..I guess you did not understand, I didnt use all your fancy crayola colors for quotingl
ololol

I suppose you Support Hanoi Jane?

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« Reply #167 on: April 08, 2004, 03:55:04 AM »
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a racist descriminates based on race, what does AA do again?

edit: I win


AA tries to "level the playing field" so to speak. To undo the true racism of the past. Do a small percentage of whites get the short end of the stick? Yup. Price we have to pay to equalize past injustices. Make no mistake about it, those were true racist times with official govt backing. AA assures no group will be excluded, including whites.

You lose.
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« Reply #168 on: April 08, 2004, 04:03:34 AM »
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Unless I read wrong, you favor racist goverment policies, which would pretty much make you a racist.

I think maybe you are a just a bad troll though.  :)


You read it wrong. Up until the 50's-60's it was govt policy to exclude minorities. AA sought out to level it as fairly as possible. Is AA perfect? No, but it's the best thing we've got.
I'm repeating myself here.
This conversation, I've tried to keep it above board, but it appears it's heading into a downward spiral. What started as a comment and request to keep this BBS something that the worlds community of AH plyers can feel comfortable with out seeing the racial epithets, has turned into a "AA is racism, since you support AA, you're a racist!!"
Funny that I be labeled a racist by one that likes using racial epithets. No racism there!  :rolleyes:
Do you actually have something constructive to add to our discussion?
PS. I don't troll.
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« Reply #169 on: April 08, 2004, 04:41:21 AM »
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sorry i just thougth you sure type more then needed..we dont need all the minute detail....Automayic is th eKEy Word..all thats is neeeded...anyways...Care to describe the NFA? What about the $200.00 transfer tax? So all those law-abiding Americans that own true assault rifles, submachine guns, etc., were breaking the law? Why are we talking about this anyway? I believe we are in general agreement about some gun laws.


boo..you type to much ..but...

I strongly believe there are MORE CORRUPT CRAPPY Democrat "Leaders" then Repubs... you are in Cali right...How about you naem the crapsss repubs..ill call the disgusting Dems..Feinstein-Boxer-Burton-Black Chik From Oaktown...hell thats just the top 4 craps...Key phrase is "I believe." You know what? I'll agree with you here. You believe your statement. You think I'm going to say you don't believe it?



And I guess I dont feell it is becuse of 'PC'..thats we abolsihed slavery..lmfao..THAT IS common decency to me..bUT Affirmative Action..what  a LOAD of CRAP..Again, your belief.

And you say do i talk in real life like this..are you a moron?..is this a fanatasy BB??  NO

fuq yes I do..and I will tell you to your face if I think you are a linguine Spinned Liberal.. why lieGood for you. If I believe that you're a psychotic, fanatic, moron. I can say that to your face as well. Why lie?

lose sleep over it..please..maybe in your dreams...I sleep quite well at night, but thank you for caring. LOL, lose sleep over what? The drivel you call typing? The complete over-the-top lunacy you spew? Actually it's quite entertaining to see. Didn't know real live people talked/typed like you do.

hmmm nevermind .,,this went over your head..I guess you did not understand, I didnt use all your fancy crayola colors for quotingl
olololOh, I understand perfectly, Question is, do you?

I suppose you Support Hanoi Jane?LOL, and again you would be wrong. Are you actually going to make a point using original thought?

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« Reply #170 on: April 08, 2004, 08:38:00 AM »
saburu.. when I was growing up in the fifties it was in Hawthorne LA..  this was a place where a lot of the jap families ended up after WWII and internment... I was raised with em.. played with em... they lived in half the houses on my block and I have been in every one of em... the moms taught me to fold paper and carve soap and I seen that rice could come in burlap bags... I taught their kids to do cub scout things and such...

I am a little offended by your portrayual of me "railing" against japs and such.   I don't "rail" against races... I know several asians.. the ones I am comfortable with I can say jap gun or jap plane..  the ones that are too sensitive are not worth knowing better anyway.   I will make fun of the stereotype and comment on their driving or interest in cameras and they will make okie jokes.   That is comfotable to me and hardly "railing".

MT... you are probly right.   there wil allways be predjudice... I am more "predjudiced" against blacks and women every year.  I will do my best to avoid hiring them or renting to them.  I will try to avoid contact with the majority of them.  They are not worth the risk.  

Why hire a black or a woman when it entails a whole new set of cautions and rules?  Why should I open myself up to that?  or rent to a black and lose power over my own property?   Why would I want to be around someone who does their best to spit on the things I like yet is hyper sensitive to anything that can be construed as "racist" against them?   Why would I bother?

Another example... I see the same woman walking to the bus station every morning... I drive by her.. she is young and well dressed.  In uncomfortable shoes and nice clothes... rain or shine.. I have to drive right by her and her bus stop.   Yesterday I was running a little late... so was she... she was running in those heels.   I didn't dare stop and offer a ride....

That is afirmative action to me.  I am smarter than the guys who make the afirmative action rules.  I will get around em every time.  I will hire who I want and rent to who I want and hang out with who I want... If you try to force me you will force me to go the other way.   I am not alone in this.

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« Reply #171 on: April 08, 2004, 08:42:46 AM »
and MT... I also spent summers in the fifties in Arkansas... there were colored drinking fountains and colored sections in the soda fountain.   They were on their way out without any law.  people were sympathetic... the real bigots didn't get any less bigoted by any law but a lot of the moderates became resentful.   that is the legacy of afirmative action and PC..

resentment.

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« Reply #172 on: April 08, 2004, 09:04:11 AM »
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I win


I'm picturing Gollum dancing with the ring at the edge of the cliff.

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« Reply #173 on: April 08, 2004, 09:11:13 AM »
Bottom line here folks...

Racism exists and it has hurt certain groups of people for no other reason than the color of their skin. Yes there is less of it than before, but it is still too prevalent to ignore. Sometimes medicine tastes bad.


AA has existed for white people for hundreds of years. How many poorly qualified white men got into ...say...Yale just because their Daddy went there?

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« Reply #174 on: April 08, 2004, 09:48:35 AM »
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Bottom line here folks...

Racism exists and it has hurt certain groups of people for no other reason than the color of their skin. Yes there is less of it than before, but it is still too prevalent to ignore. Sometimes medicine tastes bad.


AA has existed for white people for hundreds of years. How many poorly qualified white men got into ...say...Yale just because their Daddy went there?


and two wrongs make a right?

I don't think so brother :)
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« Reply #175 on: April 08, 2004, 10:53:54 AM »
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AA tries to "level the playing field" so to speak. To undo the true racism of the past.

That's great, did you just read that off of an AA pamphlet?  AA doesn't "undo" anything, the past is still there.

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Do a small percentage of whites get the short end of the stick? Yup. Price we have to pay to equalize past injustices. Make no mistake about it, those were true racist times with official govt backing. AA assures no group will be excluded, including whites.

So, "a small percentage of whites" have to pay for the past policies of the US government?  Regardless of whether they were alive, or able to vote when these policies were in place?  AA doesn't assure squat for whites, as we are not a protected ethnic group.  Government mandated racism is racism pure and simple.  Giving preference in hiring / financial aid / housing / etc based on race is racism.  There's no ifs ands or buts about it.  Two wrongs do not make a right (I can't believe I'm echoing something Eagler said!).
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« Reply #176 on: April 08, 2004, 10:59:14 AM »
But AA is good racism!!!

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« Reply #177 on: April 08, 2004, 11:00:20 AM »
How has AA existed for white people?  your example of "yale" would apply to any race.    They weren't accepted because of skin color.. a poor non connected white would have no chance.

racism will allways exist.   so will prejudice against people who are different.   I don't like to hang out with colored people who are into "black culture"   or white people with nose rings and purple spiked hair.

I don't want black people or women on the job with me because of the legal climate that PC and AA has caused.

I am polite to everyone but will backlash faster to someone who is "different" and impolite to me... that is human nature.  

AA causes resentment... that is the bottom line.   If you thinkit is worth it then that is fine too but don't pretend the resentment is a good thing.

saburo...  How can you possibly say that rap does not affect me or anyone else?  we are bombarded with it... it pops up in movies and TV and iis blasted from cars that are parked or moveing... I hear 10 times more racist crap from rap than I will ever hear in normal conversation.   You are being dishonest to make a point.

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« Reply #178 on: April 08, 2004, 11:33:02 AM »
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You read it wrong. Up until the 50's-60's it was govt policy to exclude minorities. AA sought out to level it as fairly as possible. Is AA perfect? No, but it's the best thing we've got.
I'm repeating myself here.
This conversation, I've tried to keep it above board, but it appears it's heading into a downward spiral. What started as a comment and request to keep this BBS something that the worlds community of AH plyers can feel comfortable with out seeing the racial epithets, has turned into a "AA is racism, since you support AA, you're a racist!!"
Funny that I be labeled a racist by one that likes using racial epithets. No racism there!  :rolleyes:
Do you actually have something constructive to add to our discussion?
PS. I don't troll.


You come in here decrying racist speech.  Then you proclaim your support for affirmative action, which is a racist policy by definition.  Then when somebody points our your blatant hyprocisy you start griping about spirals and being "constructive".  If you are going to get all self righteous and preachy, you have to expect to be challenged, and you had better have your ideological house in order.  

Are you sure you are not trolling?  I can't believe you would be stupid enough to not see that a government policy that discriminates against whites and asians is racism.  I can't believe that you would be stupid enough to think that these racist actions by the government, which take away educational and economic opportunities from deserving people, are not far more damaging than mere words.

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« Reply #179 on: April 08, 2004, 11:39:25 AM »
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So, "a small percentage of whites" have to pay for the past policies of the US government?  Regardless of whether they were alive, or able to vote when these policies were in place?  AA doesn't assure squat for whites, as we are not a protected ethnic group.  Government mandated racism is racism pure and simple.  Giving preference in hiring / financial aid / housing / etc based on race is racism.  There's no ifs ands or buts about it.  Two wrongs do not make a right (I can't believe I'm echoing something Eagler said!).


Bingo!  We have a winner!

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