Fw-190d-9 and Spitfire Mk XIV?

[mx22]

 

Originally posted by Nashwan:
I am not giving up on getting the XIV. It's just that I would like the C versions of all the SPitfires. Acording to a list of preserved Spitfies, nearly half the remaing Spit9s are C versions, and I know that nearly 2500 SpitVc were built, far more than the limited production, never-saw-combat F4U-1C.

I highly doubt we will see C versions for already made Spitfires. At leats not any time soon. Let's just push for the XIV, this way late war F4U-1C will be countered with late was Spit. Sounds fair to me...

mx22

[Karnak]

Pilots who flew the Spitfire XIV called it a "Hairy Beast".  Well, the hairy beast is my prefered kite.

coyote, just because there are already "dweeb" planes, does that mean that a bunch of early war planes should be added that no one will fly?  If they are moving towards a rotating timescale, with aircraft available being phased in as they encountered eachother, it would seem that they have started with the late war aircraft, so lets finish it and then wrap around to the earlier stuff.  It also isn't polite to infer that people are "dweebs" because they are interested in a slightly different time period.  If you believe that the late war aircraft were easier to fly, you are mistaken.  As an example, the Mk XIV Spitfire was the hardest wartime Spitfire to fly, yes it was the most powerful, but it had to be watched.  Thus I prefer it because it is both powerful and challenging.
As to those who think it is fine to handicap the RAF inclined, would you like to be flying P-51As, P-39s and P-40s?  Didn't think so.  Yet that is the situation we find ourselves in.
Rebel, the most common Mustang was the B, the Lightning was the J or H.  They gave the D and L, I don't think us asking for the XIV is out of place.

Sisu

[Vermillion]

Naswhan
 

never-saw-combat F4U-1C

bbbbzzzzztttttt...  

Incorrect, but thanks for playing. Cannon armed Corsairs participated in the conquest of Okinawa (well documented) and many of the raids on the Japanese homeland in 1945.

And before you Spit guys complain too much, do you realize that your Spit IX your complaining about is already 15mph-20mph too fast at altitude? And that your critical altitude extends about 5,000ft higher than it should? Just thought you should know.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure,
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-02-2000).]

[Nashwan]

I stand corrected about the almost-never-saw-combat F4U-1C.   And as for the Spit IX being 10mph too fast, does it go 448mph? Because that  is the top speed of the spit we should be using in a 1944 planeset.  

[jmccaul]

How about a spit 9 LF and HF.

Verm : do these hi-alt peculiarities only effect the spit?

Do i get a prize for putting the word "peculiarities" in my post (even though it is spelt wrong)  

[coyote]

 

Originally posted by Vermillion:
And before you Spit guys complain too much, do you realize that your Spit IX your complaining about is already 15mph-20mph too fast at altitude?

Yea ditto that, I was at 30K in a Mk IX the other day and was doing 250mph IAS! wow that is fast at 30k! sheez

[Hristo]

Since you ask for 1944 planes, I am amazed how you RAF types forgot the 262 ?  

[Vermillion]

jmccaul:

We are suppose to have the F version, but yes it is flying at altitude more like an HF, the fastest of all of the Spit IX's, without going to 150 octane fuel.

As far as I know, its just the Spit thats getting this "peculiarity".

There's a post in the Bug's section I wrote from about a week ago, that gives the exact speeds and altitudes.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
 
 

[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-03-2000).]

[maik]

Well  ,

How about bringing the D9 to the game  ,  .

Talking about early planeset, give me my 190-A4 or A5 plzzzzzzzzzzz  

Maik
<JG2 Richthofen>

[Fishu]

Why always 190D-9.. why not D-12 or D-13 or.. Ta-152?

Allies will get their super planes, no doubt about that, but theres some doubt with LW

Also that if some LW plane has few numbers built and superior to others, its not an excuse when looks at C.205 or N1K2 (yea, where they built in thousands? nah..)

Also, fewer people flies LW planes anyway, did they have super plane or not, but allies got always super planes and superb propaganda from the past. (look at all those P-51 weenies crying why they can't outturn certain planes with its famous reputation)

As they get more improved spitfires (spitfire been bouncing up & down, more upwards in performance in AH)
..LW gets planes from the past (look at 109F4...)
So, only formidable LW foe currently is 109s.
190A8 is a coffin, can't engage as freely as some others can. (of course you can say that you can engage, but how about surviving?)
I wish there would be even 190A-5 (they said it to be coming long time ago, where is it?)
At least A-5 would be lighter and faster than A-8, which has guns and armour, which I don't really need as much as maneuverability and speed to survive.

I can do same amount of kills in less time with 109 than in 190.
1. I can engage more freely in 109
2. Maneuverability & accerlation makes up for better shots.
3. You'll survive from hard situations in 109 better than in 190...

If I could have 190A-5..
or fast dora, even D-12.. I would turn back into 190s right away..

(tho, my greatest streak is in 190A-8   something like +250 kills(?)

But then, some average pilot could do the same in allie plane than I do in LW planes with hard work ... shrug..

(for note, I did over 50 streak with P-38J in WB, twice, when I we're still like below average with skills, but no way I ever did that in 190s or 109s)

So, we need some uber 190 to meet 10 super allie planes..
(Now we can just wait when they get tanks into the game, we'll see 1 sherman beat 10 tigers)

Okey.. enough whining, haven't whined for a month.

still reading? mental health still ok?
good!

[mx22]

I agree with Fishu

LW fliers badly need some late war planes. FW190D or TA152 would make a nice addition to the current planeset.
But then again, RAF fliers too are not in the perfect position either with their mid-war set. I see people complain about SpitIX being a bit faster at high alt, but most of the engagemets happen well below this alt (at least that's the case with me).

mx22

[Minotaur]

Fishu;

You the man!  Where you been?

I missed your posting.  

Mino

[Vermillion]

Fishu, have you ever looked at Fw190D12/D13 performance numbers versus altitude? (FYI for those that don't know the difference between the D12 and D13 is armament)

I am really curious, because while the D12 might have a higher Max speed than the D9 by about 10mph. At most altitudes, especially the altitudes where most of the combat takes place in the arena, the D12 performs much worse than the D9.

The D12 is superior in the 25k-35k area by approximately 10 mph, true, but below 25k the D9 is much faster. In particular, the D9 can do 359mph at Sea Level (if my memory is correct), while the D12 can only do 340 mph at SL, an almost 20mph difference.

Check out the thread where I recently posted scan's of original Focke-Wulf Test data, from a Ta-152 book I recently purchased.
 http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/Forum1/HTML/002097.html

In particular Document #3 is quite interesting.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind seeing either the 190D9 or the 190D12/D13 in Aces High. But I think I would personally prefer the D9.

And for all those crying for the Ta-152, well.. I would probably have to disagree. Realistically, from looking at this new information (new to me) from the book, very very very few of the Ta-152's made it into combat. I am going to go back and count how many exactly later, but from looking at his documentation, I would say less than 75 made it into service, and less than 50 is probably a more likely number.

And anyways it wouldn't be the panacea most people think. Again look at the performance chart. Just like the 190D12, the 152 variants perform very well in the +25k area, but below that, they do not perform well at all.

Just something to think about.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
 
 

[This message has been edited by Vermillion (edited 03-03-2000).]

[jmccaul]

All for the D9, Ta 152 is just a little too select for my liking. c205 and N1K2 were rare but not because they were very uber and only just managed to get a produced before the end of the war there just weren't many made so i think there is a slight difference.

As far as the Me 262 wouldn't like to see any jets personally (unless they were somehow limited) but if it was included i wouldn't mind the meteor which was operational just a fraction later.

Fact remains brits have 1942 spit IX F and are getting 1941 typhoon Ib. If spit performs wrong at high alt then fix it but you can't say you can't have a late war plane you can have mid war ones that are too quick at alt instead.

   

[danish]

A Competitive mid- or late war Fw yes please!
Jets no please - they'll ruin the arena.

danish