Author Topic: Discipline (Read 2020 times)

Sandman · « **Reply #15 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:08:50 PM »

I scored 15.

midnight Target · « **Reply #16 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:10:27 PM »

17 here. But I've been drinking coffee.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #17 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:11:21 PM »

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Originally posted by mora
Have you ever taken a ADHD quiz ? 99% of people have those symptoms, IMHO it's pretty much a made up disease. I scored 47.

There are some valid cases, but not as many as teachers WANT you to believe there are...usually it means the teacher is not willing to work harder with the kids, and/or the kid suffers from disciplinary problems (lack of) at home. I'm sure Austin (my subject I used in my original post) would have been diagnosed with ADHD had he been in a larger, inner city school. Luckily, we have small classrooms out in the 'Burbs, and the teachers are more than willing to work with kids like Austin alittle harder.

midnight Target · « **Reply #18 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:15:56 PM »

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usually it means the teacher is not willing to work harder with the kids, and/or the kid suffers from disciplinary problems (lack of) at home.

Usually?

sheesh!

Charon · « **Reply #19 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:17:51 PM »

I scored a 23! Just below borderline ADD. According to that test just about everybody must be some level of ADD (24-100). Maybe I need some expensive medication and therapy.

[I guess the killer was my difficulty in paying attention to boring crap, though I did manage to read all of "Arms for Spain" that covered how the various powers provided arms to the Republican faction fighting in Spain.]

Charon

Mathman · « **Reply #20 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:23:38 PM »

It has been my experience in education Rip that it is not the teachers who cry about ADD/HD. It is the parents who use it as an excuse for their kids misbehavior, lack of attention in class, and the resulting poor grades.

I am the dean of 9th and 10th grade boys at my school (I deal with the discipline issues). I have never had a teacher come and tell me that the reason that a child misbehaves is due to ADD. I have the parents who try to pass off their behavior as that. The biggest reason that I see with kids who are defiant and disruptive is that they seem to have a sense of entitlement and not that they have to earn something. They do not understand the difference between a privelege and a right.

In my job, I have noticed that it is the kids who spend little time with their parents who are the ones most likely to get into trouble. Those who spend time with their parents are the ones who succeed. A parent (or parents) who take an interest in their kid's life and education as a parent and not a friend seem to be the ones who have children that they can be proud of and not one that they need to make excuses for.

That is my 2/5 of a nickel's worth, take it how you will.

Furious · « **Reply #21 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:31:54 PM »

Beat your kids so they will be good at sports!!!

Shut up Mathman, he knows more about teaching and teachers than you.

Mathman · « **Reply #22 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:33:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Furious
Beat your kids so they will be good at sports!!!

Of course, that works too!

Ripsnort · « **Reply #23 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:36:05 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
17 here. But I've been drinking coffee.

9 here

(although this BBS distracts me from my work on occasion

:D )

Ripsnort · « **Reply #24 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:38:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Mathman
It has been my experience in education Rip that it is not the teachers who cry about ADD/HD. It is the parents who use it as an excuse for their kids misbehavior, lack of attention in class, and the resulting poor grades.

I am the dean of 9th and 10th grade boys at my school (I deal with the discipline issues). I have never had a teacher come and tell me that the reason that a child misbehaves is due to ADD. I have the parents who try to pass off their behavior as that. The biggest reason that I see with kids who are defiant and disruptive is that they seem to have a sense of entitlement and not that they have to earn something. They do not understand the difference between a privelege and a right.

In my job, I have noticed that it is the kids who spend little time with their parents who are the ones most likely to get into trouble. Those who spend time with their parents are the ones who succeed. A parent (or parents) who take an interest in their kid's life and education as a parent and not a friend seem to be the ones who have children that they can be proud of and not one that they need to make excuses for.

That is my 2/5 of a nickel's worth, take it how you will.

I'll agree with you that it may be the parenting as well. My aim was not to really point a finger, but to point out that the problem is used as an excuse to drug a kid that may not need the medication., which is not right IMO.

Mathman · « **Reply #25 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:46:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
I'll agree with you that it may be the parenting as well. My aim was not to really point a finger, but to point out that the problem is used as an excuse to drug a kid that may not need the medication., which is not right IMO.

May be parenting? Who raises the kids? If you want to, I will send you a copy of my contract so you can point to me where it says that I have to raise someone else's child as a teacher.

You may not have wanted to point a finger, but you clearly did with this statement:

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There are some valid cases, but not as many as teachers WANT you to believe there are...usually it means the teacher is not willing to work harder with the kids

Yes, I take offense to this statement. Yes, there are teacehrs who only "teach" to get a paycheck. Just like their are some people who work at Boeing and spend all their time on the internet posting to bulletin boards about flight sims and BMW's. Are all Boeing employees like this? I would be willing to bet they aren't, but wouldn't they be upset if I made broad generalizations based on the actions of a few?

If you didn't want to point fingers, all you had to do was say:

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the problem is used as an excuse to drug a kid that may not need the medication., which is not right IMO.

Mathman · « **Reply #26 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:48:21 PM »

Oh, and I am done with this, I get to go teach now.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #27 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:54:57 PM »

Yes, you are absolutely correct, parents are definately at fault, I stand corrected. Teachers do not have the time to spend with individual children however correct me if I am wrong, but do they ever recommend to parents that they should be tested for AHAD?

MrsRoo · « **Reply #28 on:** May 04, 2004, 12:59:06 PM »

First of all ADD and ADHD is a legitimate disability, However it is over diagnosed these days. I took that test and scored a 62. I don't have ADD I have what is called depression and Axiety disorders. I was never a problem child and rarely "acted out". My parents believed in disipline ... and I don't mean spankings on a regular basis either ... disipline means many things to many people for my parents it meant "NO is NO" if I did it any way I got grounded, privleges taken away and on rare occasions when what I did was dangerous or harmful to another grounded to my room.

Using the diagnosis of ADD as an excuse for a childs miss behavior is WRONG! If you have a diagnosis you have a treatment therefore if the behavior is caused from ADD it should stop or reduce once treatment and therapy has started. It should also be noted that children who DO have ADD need disipline more than others.

-dead- · « **Reply #29 on:** May 04, 2004, 01:10:57 PM »

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Originally posted by mora
Have you ever taken a ADHD quiz ? 99% of people have those symptoms, IMHO it's pretty much a made up disease. I scored 47.

If you can sit still and concentrate long enough to finish the test, you probably don't have a very serious case of it, no matter what your score.