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« Reply #105 on: May 18, 2004, 01:05:34 AM »
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Kinda like blamin' retarded kids for being retarded.

Or geniuses for being geniuses.
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And this relates to homosuxuality being deviant and abnormal how?

Back to the end of the line nash.


If I wanted to teach kindergarten I would have gotten a liberal arts degree. Figure it out for yourself.

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« Reply #106 on: May 18, 2004, 01:39:54 AM »
wrong answer.  you lose.  take your lumps and go pout in private please.
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« Reply #107 on: May 18, 2004, 01:41:34 AM »
Yeager is playing word games, but he's right.  It isn't statistically normal, and it is a statistical deviation.  

But this doesn't mean it's wrong or unnatural.  For example left handed people are deviants and abnormal.

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« Reply #108 on: May 18, 2004, 01:45:05 AM »
and so are retarded kids and geniuses.

My point is zactly that. It aint unnatural no matter how small the number.

So he's goofin' on people unlike him. Like that's a rare preocupation for some people.

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« Reply #109 on: May 18, 2004, 01:57:34 AM »
So now we should correctly equate being left handed to being homosexual.

Nash, you think the founders would be pleased with godless deviants running the show as it would prove their little joke actually worked....man..I guess.  Ill just let it go as an example of each having their own opinion, as Im sure you will.
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« Reply #110 on: May 18, 2004, 02:08:22 AM »
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This is what we are fighting against.  We are fighting against society saying that Homosexuality is a completely moral and right act 2 grown people can do.


You're actually fighting against it? You're even more disgusting than I thought you to be. And that is indeed an unlikely feat.

Never mind, why do you think 'god' created so many degrees of man and women, there are women that even scare me when they flex their biceps and there are men who resemble a fragile pre-puberty schoolgirl. And that is just the outside, as with the physical appearance there is a wide array of emotional and mental orientations present among people. Is it really that surprising that some lean towards a sexual preference initially attributed to the other sex? The explanation that there are men and women and nothing in between is not only simplified but also strikingly naive, as is the assumption that sexual preference would be uniform if it weren't for 'lifestyle choices', there are men who like big, strong women and there are who prefer petite, feminine types and many, many who have a preference in the range between and around these two extremes. That is all commonly accepted, even by religious fanatics as yourself, it is just as obvious that in some cases the sexual preference will be positioned within or just after the grey area that separates the two sexes.
Instead those ignorantly clinging to religion and the comforting moral superiority that it offers them, choose to believe it is a lifestyle choice. Of all the ridiculous statements... It once more proves that America (or any nation) shouldn't be a christian nation, it should be a democracy, separated from the sick beliefs cherished by the clergy and their clueless followers.

It makes me wonder sometimes, where are the times that believing in something meant that people were compassionate, helpful and good to their fellow men. Nowadays religion seems only to be about forcing your beliefs upon others and shaping society as much as you can with total disregard for others, egocentrism seems the key-word for christians these days and all they seem to preach is hate. I certainly hope that someone will stop the christians, the muslims and all others acting so destructively on so many levels in the name of their fictious gods before they ***** up the world more than they have right now.


BTW, my definition of homophobia (yes, without the 'unreasonable') was quoted directly from a dictionary, you may describe where I changed it to fit my purposes.

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« Reply #111 on: May 18, 2004, 02:15:54 AM »
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So now we should correctly equate being left handed to being homosexual.


Well you set the criteria.  Do you think left handedness is normal?  If so, why is left handness normal and homosexuality not?

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« Reply #112 on: May 18, 2004, 02:21:12 AM »
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and there are men who resemble a fragile pre-puberty .


And then there is a friend of mine who is 6'6" and 285lbs and you would never guess he was gay!

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« Reply #113 on: May 18, 2004, 02:26:41 AM »
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It's sad that an American would think such things. Ever heard of the 1st Amendment?


the first amendment allows for freedom of speech and expression.  where does it allow for homosexual behavior in the public arena?  we confuse liberty with libertinism.

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« Reply #114 on: May 18, 2004, 07:08:51 AM »
Thud, be a gem and reach down there and grab the soap will ya? LOL

its all good and normal right?

I think the habitants of Sodom and Gomorrah thought the same thing - right before they were vaporized ... (Genesis 13: 13).
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« Reply #115 on: May 18, 2004, 07:18:59 AM »
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I think the habitants of Sodom and Gomorrah thought the same thing - right before they were vaporized ... (Genesis 13: 13).


POOF!!*







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« Reply #116 on: May 18, 2004, 08:15:47 AM »
I have no problem with gay men so long as I don't have to look at it.   the human nature is to emphasize.  If you see a couple you put yourself in the situation.   It is completely natural for a heterosexual man to feel queasy when seeing gay displays of affection between two men (if yu are a male) and not be too upset by seeing two women together..  

Besides that tho.. there is a financial burden to gay marriage.   It costs us money... if they get tax breaks or health care then we pay for it.   I would not be against gay marriage if it did not entail any financial giveaways.

If gays married and had the same legal contract as everyone else then courts would have a more difficult time in discriminating against men in heterosexual divorces tho....

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« Reply #117 on: May 18, 2004, 08:35:42 AM »
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I have no problem with gay men so long as I don't have to look at it.   the human nature is to emphasize.  If you see a couple you put yourself in the situation.   It is completely natural for a heterosexual man to feel queasy when seeing gay displays of affection between two men (if yu are a male) and not be too upset by seeing two women together.. [QUOTE/]


Whenever we perform an installation in the beach communities we see very many "displays of affection" between homosexuals in public.  This has been common for two decades in Miami/Ft. Lauderdale.  I would not take my children to the public beaches when they were young because of this.  I did not want to get into any long explainations with small children who had no need to have these "displays" being performed in their presence.  This is another example of a small minority of deviants imposing their will against a great majority.  We are blessed because we could afford boats and my parents owned a nice vacation Home in the Florida Keys.  This allowed us to skirt the issue as it were.  What about those less fortunate?

Besides that tho.. there is a financial burden to gay marriage.   It costs us money... if they get tax breaks or health care then we pay for it.   I would not be against gay marriage if it did not entail any financial giveaways.

If gays married and had the same legal contract as everyone else then courts would have a more difficult time in discriminating against men in heterosexual divorces tho....

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If we think our healthcare system is messed up now wait until this thing builds up momentum and you Adam and Steve wanting spousal coverage from Adam's insurance at work.

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« Reply #118 on: May 18, 2004, 08:44:45 AM »
That is my point.   but.. in some cases your healthcare is part of a "package" as is mine.   I have negotiated for a certain dollar amount to be used for healthcare.   since I am single I can elect to put the unused portion into a tax deffered retirement plan.

As for suits... how would a judge or jury be able to discriminate against the man in a same sex marrige during a divorce?  They would not... I believe this would set a long overdue precident and males would be treated more fairly in male/female marriages.

As for taxes..  I am willing to subsiddize the raising of children a lot more than I am willing to subsidize cohabitation of any type.   You should get a tax break for raising children.

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« Reply #119 on: May 18, 2004, 09:35:23 AM »
Actually, I'm not very much religious at all.  I don't go to church, I don't belong to any religion.  I actually don't believe in any religion that says you'll go to hell for not being a member.


However, I easily acknowlege that the american society is a christian society.  Christian rules dominated writing the declaration and constitution.  No matter what you say, this is history.  You can't change this fact.




But a lot of the argument comes down to whether or not homosexuality is a choice or not.  I believe it is, which is part of the reason why it's immoral.

Being retarded or a genius is not a choice and you are born with it.  (Unless you decided to take a 2x4 to your head and become the former.)
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