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Offline TheDudeDVant

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« Reply #75 on: May 21, 2004, 09:22:23 AM »
What were the civilian death estimates in Chechnya Grun? Are you sure thats a good argument? Some pretty high ones coming out of Iraqi. One could say they are artificially high from Iraqi, but one could say the same from Chechnya...

IMO it is very hard to paint Russia as the single evil country in light of American actions taking place..


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« Reply #76 on: May 21, 2004, 09:38:29 AM »
How many people get married at home? The linked article says there were in a small village, not in the middle of the desert. They must have been in some sort of town as 2 buildings were reportedly destroyed..

This is a disgrace if true. More than half those killed were women and children. The article also said it was an ac-130 gunship they was attacked? By small arms fire? I call shanaghens...

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« Reply #77 on: May 21, 2004, 10:08:59 AM »
From http://www.aljazeera.com

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At least 41 civilians were killed Wednesday when a U.S. helicopter fired on a wedding party in an Iraqi village near the Syrian border.


From http://www.debka.com

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Washington: US helicopter strike alleged to have struck wedding party was directed against safe house in al Qaim 25 km from Syrian border occupied by foreign Arab fighters infiltrating Iraq from Syria, who fired at helicopter. Coalition ground forces found quantities of explosives, foreign passports, 2 m Iraqi and Syria dinars and satcom radio. Iraqi sources claimed more than 40 killed. International Red Cross condemns US military for using excessive force in incident.


OK, somebody give me the 100% truth on this one. I only need the guys that know which story is absolutely correct to post.

Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #78 on: May 21, 2004, 10:31:37 AM »
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You know any other ways to take fortified city with desperate defenders? If so - please tell me how good are wages of Pentagon advisors, because you must be working there.

American forces have started, but then had to stop, and got some nice ambushes Chechen style while withdrawing your glorious marines. I wonder what goes on there now, El Fallujah strangely disappeared from the news several weeks ago.

Some people never learn. Only fools learn on their own mistakes.


In our case fallujah dissaperaed from the news beacuse we worked out as settlement with local leaders as best we could, not perfect perhaps but....

However in yur case Grozny dissapered from tyhe local news, well beacuse the city literally dissaperead...

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« Reply #79 on: May 21, 2004, 10:54:38 AM »
It's too bad they didn't have any flechette rockets.

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« Reply #80 on: May 21, 2004, 11:22:41 AM »
Back to the topic: I understand that "bad things happen", but I can't understand why that "general" couldn't apologize.

In my very humble opinion such people should be fired from the Army immediately.

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« Reply #81 on: May 21, 2004, 11:57:51 AM »
How many Russian generals were forced out because of this?


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« Reply #82 on: May 21, 2004, 12:01:45 PM »
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Ask Bulgarian kids about "precise bombings" when NATO bombed Yugoslavia.

You are lucky US never bombed Mexico, otherwise you could have found your house blown to ashes by some "precise weapon".


Russians have NO RIGHT to lecture anyone about humanitarian anything....

Excerpt from JG-52's last few days after they were given to the Russians.

Before the Americans could drive away, they were given a glimpse of the fate to which they had unwittingly delivered civilian women and girls, innocent of any crime save being born in Germany.  The Americans found that their Allies were quite capable as individuals of descending to the worst excesses of human savagery.  The young GI's from Keokuk ans Kokomo got a good close up of the Russian Bear in action.
The unarmed German men were lined up and  a row of hal-drunk Red Army soldiers swayingly covered them with rifles and machine guns.  Other Russians hurled the women and girls to the ground, and ripping the clothes from their bodies began raping them in front of their Russian comrades, the agonised Germans, and the GI's standing bugeyed with astonishment in the US Army trucks.
The Americans seemed paralyzed by the spectacle.  When two young German girls, stripped bare, ran crying to the trucks and clawed their way up the sides in search of sanctuary, the AMerican guards had the presence of mind to haul them into the truck beds.  This chivalry did not sit well with the Russians.  Firing wildly in the air and shouting at the Americans, the Russians made ominous moves to towards the trucks.  THe GI's let in their clutches and gunned their vehicles down the road.  The last threat to their full indulgence removed, the Russians fell on the German women.
A young German woman in her early 30's, wife of a sergeant and mother of a twelve year old girl, begged on her knees to a Russian corporal, and alternately prayed to God, that the Soviet soldiers should take her and spare her daughter.  Her prayers went unaswered.  Tears pouring down her cheeks, she wept out her appeal while the watching German men stood with gun barrels thrust into their bellies.
The Russian corporal stepped back from the woman, his face contorted by a sneer.  One of the four soldiers with him slammed his boot into the woman's stomach with all his force.  "You damned facist pig!" he yelled.  The young mother rolled over gasping.  The soldier who kicked her, then killed her with a single rifle shot through the head.
The RUssians grabbed every German female in sight, regardless of age.  The twelve year old daughter of the slain woman was dragged behind a tank by her mother's killer.  Other Russians joined him.  Half an hour later, crying and croaking, unable to stand and completely nude, the ravaged child came crawling back around the tank.  She collapsed like a broken doll.
Amidst the backdrop of the unspeakable scene in the once peaceful meadow, there was nothing prominent about the crippled child's plight.  THe powerless Germans urged their Russian guards to let them help the girl.  Burp guns at the ready, the Russians let a German medic through to attend to the child.  She was dead within in an hour, her final whimperings tearing the hearts out of Erich and his men.
Eight and Nine yearold girls were pitiously raped time after time by hulking Russian soldiers.  They showed no feelings other than hate and lust.  As each brute satisfied himself amid the wildly terrified screams and groans of the women, Erich and his men stared into the muzzles of machine guns.
With blood on their uniforms the Russians who had slaked their lusts came grinning to relieve the machine gunners standing gurad over the Luftwaffe men.  Mothers who tried to protect infant daughters were clubbed senseless and dragged aside, then raped as they lay unconscious.  Hard-case pilot who had survived hundreds of air battles and many wounds broke down and wept unashamedly.  Sick to heartin a way he had never known in his life, Erich fought an overpowering impulse to retch.

THis went on through the night, with some women and children taken away to never be seenn again....

(taken from "the Blond Knight of Germany - a biography of Erich Hartmann)


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« Reply #83 on: May 21, 2004, 12:03:14 PM »
Unfortunately - no one....

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« Reply #84 on: May 21, 2004, 12:06:56 PM »
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Russians have NO RIGHT to lecture anyone about humanitarian anything....

Excerpt from JG-52's last few days after they were given to the Russians.
 



go on sticking to cold war stuff.

we russians eat german babies for breakfast. it's a well known fact since XVIII century.

Amen.

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« Reply #85 on: May 21, 2004, 12:16:15 PM »
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Unfortunately - no one....


I'm curious why do you say "unfortunately?"

Because from my point of view up now you have been very much in praise of this action...

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« Reply #86 on: May 21, 2004, 12:28:01 PM »

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Unfortunately - no one....
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I'm curious why do you say "unfortunately?"

Because from my point of view up now you have been very much in praise of this action...


How many Russian generals were forced out because of this?


I meant the bastards who organised the New Year 1995 in Grozniy...

Grun, my e-mail is tengrie@sky.chph.ras.ru - I can send you a film about assault in Grozniy 1995....

"Chistilische" is a horrible film...

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« Reply #87 on: May 21, 2004, 12:34:11 PM »
Bodhi and Grun, you guys should get off your high horses. Sure the russians probably did terrible things, but dont think that American in her own time has not commited atrocities all over the entire world, like the russians or any other country that held power at one time..

I believe it would be called hypocrasy..


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« Reply #88 on: May 21, 2004, 12:40:24 PM »
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I believe it would be called hypocrasy..


Exactly.

Especially when GH is all the way supportive to the genocide of the population of Srpska Krajna.

His best argument is that "it was planned and supported by US Army"...

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« Reply #89 on: May 21, 2004, 12:45:29 PM »
Boroda the 95 croatian  liberation anti-terrorist campaign was a master work of precision artillery and humanbe warfighting!

The croatian armyv was extremely kind and allowwed all the serbs to leave. It was a great humanitarian operation. In fact I hear the russians planned the Grozny humane compassiuon offensive adfter this attack. You see some of the serbs who lefty krsajina eventually ended up in russia and had nothing but glowing praise forv the thoughful and considerate croatian offensive.

There, you aught to like that!!!  Just like pravda!