Author Topic: Need assistance with selecting a hunting rifle (Read 3778 times)

Leslie · « **Reply #45 on:** May 22, 2004, 08:27:20 AM »

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Originally posted by VOR
How ironic! So was the steak I ate last night!

Actually, to each his own. I'm sure you have your reasons.

I stabbed a mouse last year with a knife. Was sitting in my mouse-infested tent when one happened to get close enough and I happened to get lucky. Looking back on it, I could have cut myself badly or been bitten, but what a rush! From now on I'm only hunting with Ninja weapons.

Noooo thanks!!! Not for me. Knives are too dangerous for the casual user.

One time I was about to sharpen my Rapala filet knife after a successful fishing trip. I was in my house alone, thank God, because I had been drinking a bit, and when I pulled the knife out of the sheath, it came out so fast I lost my grip on it and it just disappeared.

I looked all over the floor. Not there. I thought it had vanished into thin air, and was starting to get concerned when I went into the kitchen.

Then I saw it. It had come out of the sheath and flown the entire length of the house, about 30 feet, and stuck in the window shade roller above the back door.

That's why it was so hard to find.

Now, if I could only learn to do that at will...I "would" be a ninja.

Les

Jester · « **Reply #46 on:** May 22, 2004, 11:25:53 PM »

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Originally posted by flakbait
Jester, you're way off on that one. 7.62x39 is otherwise known as 7.62 intermediate, while .308 is 7.62x51; a much larger round. The velocity and energy differences are pretty big too. 2200 ft/sec with 1612 ft-lbs muzzle energy for the 7.62x39 versus 2820 ft/sec and 2684 ft-lbs muzzle energy for the .308. Both using a 150 grain spire-point bullet. Given the choice, I'd prefer the .308; an extra half-ton of muzzle energy and 400fps faster.

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My mistake Flakbait, I wasn't clear. I ment the "bullet" is the same size - not the whole round. The Russian round is 39 while the NATO round is 51 in length.

Still where range isn't an issue - it's more than big enough to hunt with. If you need something bigger you better make DAMN SURE it isn't hunting YOU.

Hey SHUCKINS! !
Yep, it's Arkansas. WOOOOO PIG SOOOIE!
You ever make it through here look me up. I can usually be found at the Fire Dept.

Jester · « **Reply #47 on:** May 22, 2004, 11:35:39 PM »

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Originally posted by wipass
jester, it's not a troll

I'm a veggie,

can't see the fun in killing somehow

wipass

Sorry, where we come from we didn't fight our way to the top of the food chain to eat grass.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #48 on:** May 22, 2004, 11:40:15 PM »

Thats not food, that's what food eats.

txmx · « **Reply #49 on:** May 23, 2004, 12:05:38 AM »

People i can kill a moose with a 22 rimfire too!
If I ram the barrell up his butt and pull the trigger he will die at some point he will bleed to death internally.

The point i was trying to make by saying i like the Win 300 mag or the weatherby 300 mag is you stand a much greater chance of scoring a first shot kill at ranges up to 600- yds .

And I am sorry i would not risk my hunt on that range with a 308 LOL .
It takes massive shock and trauma to kill a 1500lb animal it aint like shooting a human LOL we die easy.

I will give you an example I shot a bobcat at 800+ yds with a win 300 mag using 190grn speer bulletts.

Hit the thing in front of the right hip joint passing thrue without hitting bone.

you know what there was a nice little hole about 20mm wide on the exite side.

PS I had to track the dam thing.

So think about a MOOSE:eek:

The moral of the story is when hunting large game bigger +faster is better.

The ammo is exspensive but if you really want a bad arse flat shooting rifle?

Weatherby 300 mag is the way to go .
LOL dont believe me check out the ballistics.

Outside of the 338 lapua she is one tough biotch.

txmx · « **Reply #50 on:** May 23, 2004, 12:14:14 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
The moose is a woodland animal and it is very shy. You won't get a 600 yard shot. More like 100-200 yards max.

Really? Been to Cananda hunting lately have you? LOL.
Well my Father shot one at 600yds so I tend to go on what he told me.

And having seen the old fart shoot Mule Deer in Colorado at up to 800+ yds I tend to believe him.

txmx · « **Reply #51 on:** May 23, 2004, 12:15:51 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
The moose is a woodland animal and it is very shy. You won't get a 600 yard shot. More like 100-200 yards max.

And you will find them in marshy type lands as well.

Hell even seen em wandering thru towns LOL.

Morpheus · « **Reply #52 on:** May 23, 2004, 12:26:38 AM »

I've hunted plenty with a 45-70. Although it is a Ruger #1 and also a Ruger #3. Both of these actions are super strong. One of the strongest single shot actions built today. With it being as strong as it is, you can load the piss out of it and it will hold together with out a problem. Marlins lever actions are also strong for the most part. So if you do reload you can load up some nice hot rnds and still have no problems. With the 45-70 being a low presure crtg, there are few problems you will encounter if you reload for it. If you dont like single shots then go with the marlin.

Either of the two, the 45-70 govt or the 444 Marlin are fine choices given the right shots. If you get shots beyond 150 yards I would start thinking of something a little more flat shooting. Lets not forget now guys, the 308 has killed every animal on the planet. So it should not be underestemated. I've had a friend of mine go on a hunt in canada for Caribou and took two of them at 400+ yards with a 308. If you want any more knock down power than a 308, then I would go with my all time favorite the 338 Win Mag.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #53 on:** May 23, 2004, 01:37:37 AM »

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Originally posted by MoRphEuS
Marlins lever actions are also strong for the most part. So if you do reload you can load up some nice hot rnds and still have no problems.

you still end up with a lot of drag and instability due to the limited selection of projectile shapes acceptable for a lever action riffle. you're still limitted to variations on a round-nose bullet.

even if loaded with the same powdercharge and projectile weight, you will be able to get better performance from a bolt-action riffle

txmx · « **Reply #54 on:** May 23, 2004, 03:06:21 AM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
you still end up with a lot of drag and instability due to the limited selection of projectile shapes acceptable for a lever action riffle. you're still limitted to variations on a round-nose bullet.

This is true very hard to find boat tail bulletts for lever action types.

mipoikel · « **Reply #55 on:** May 23, 2004, 03:19:19 AM »

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txmx · « **Reply #56 on:** May 23, 2004, 03:23:28 AM »

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Originally posted by MoRphEuS

Lets not forget now guys, the 308 has killed every animal on the planet.

Ok you be the fool standing in front of the charging rhino with you 308 and I will have my 460 weatherby magnum:D

Look I spent 4 years lugging around the 308 nato XM 21 weapons system I know what the 308 can and cant do.

And it cant take all game in the world LOL hell It cant even take everything in north America for crips sake.

One of the last weapons i would want on a kodiak hunt would be a 308 LOL.

Unless I was just wanting to really piss off the bear enough to have a good fight on my hands LOL.

The 308 Is a great weapon for shooting people sized animale up 800meters.

But most clean kills where made at less than 700meters.

Now you have to understand that wild animals are just a little tougher than you and me LOL.

Plus the animale in quesstion is very much bigger aound 1000-1500 lbs

Understand that all of your common 30 caliber rounds are 308 in diameter there fore 308.
Its the lenght of the round that makes up the additional weight and mass.

I would have to pull some reloading data but the difference between the nato 308 x52 and the weatherby 300magnum are HUGE in not only muzzle veolocity but in ft lbs of energy.

Night and day .
And at distances at and beyound 500 yds it multiplys like a MOFO.

Can you kill a moose with a 308 yes
Ofcoures you can.

But can you do it in a sporting humaine way with quick death?

NO Unless you are lucky enough to hit him in the heart or brain at a fairly short distance.

I when hunting prefere to engage my prey at longer distances to make it more sporting to me and the animal.

But I never take a shot I dont feel I can Kill him with.

Sorry Morph did not mean to pick on your post but i can quaranty the 308 as in 308 nato will NOT kill any animal on the planet.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #57 on:** May 23, 2004, 03:26:10 AM »

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Originally posted by txmx
the 308 will NOT kill any animal on the planet.

Mosquitos are especially tough.

txmx · « **Reply #58 on:** May 23, 2004, 03:30:16 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
Oh no ... here he goes on about hunting people again. *sigh*

Well smart arse define witch 308 are we really talking about?

There are about 30 or 40 different ones you know .
Theres the 308 nato round.
theres the 308 Norma magnun and ect ect.

See if you can add something besides silly outdated smartarsed remarks.

txmx · « **Reply #59 on:** May 23, 2004, 03:33:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Mosquitoes are especially tough.

For Mosquitoes I prefere to use the dixie straw and well chewed paper from the dallas moring news.

In grade school I was so good with the spit wade shooter I would dot the eyes of the letters when the teacher was writing on the chaulk boards.

LOL yeppers a sniper even back then:rofl