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Offline Steve

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« Reply #105 on: May 31, 2004, 09:32:34 PM »
I'll be thrilled if my conlusions prove to be premature.  It would be a time I'd l happily eat crow.
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« Reply #106 on: May 31, 2004, 10:20:39 PM »
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I'll be thrilled if my conlusions prove to be premature.  It would be a time I'd l happily eat crow.


Premature crow can be 'murder' on the gizzards. Having eaten crow of all ages on many different occasions, I suggest a preheated oven, to say, 400, for the first 15 min., or at least till the 'cawing' stops. Then reduce temp to about 325 , and bake for 50 min.

After being prepared to eat said crow, if the 'guests' are still after blood, may I suggest serving them a side dish of premature 'nightshade salad'. Or if you're less inclined to cause harm, an 'Exlax Chocolate suffle'.

Bonne appetite.

p.s: If eating the salad in the Surprise Arizona area, Steve could even drive ya to the doc. :)

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« Reply #107 on: May 31, 2004, 10:46:23 PM »
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I'll be thrilled if my conlusions prove to be premature.  It would be a time I'd l happily eat crow.


I'll be sure to let CrowMAW know you'll be paying him a visit.

;)

Meanwhile, I'm having a blast in AH2.

No problems running it on my 3 year old system.

I like the fact that I have to manage my fuel.

The sunglare is great for sneaking up on folks.

I like the disappearing tags on planes flying on the deck.

Lone complain: Rook Gangbang here.

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« Reply #108 on: May 31, 2004, 11:15:42 PM »
I'm liking it too Muck. For the same reasons you stated.

What I really enjoy is the FM. At speed it handles as it did but more "fluid"  Slow, it acts more like a plane, it wallows. I like that. It "feels" like it wallows. That was totally absent in AH1.  I've only got a hundred hours in RL but Beta is on to something in "feel".

I like the gunnery. Can't hit squat, but it's more fluid,  entirely dependent on control surface input. Much more realistic ( my feeling ) than AH1.

That and everytime in I have a blast. Jeez the fights ??

Good time.

Steve, crow isn't bad. Some herbs, spices, in a soup ??

..the bones will kill ya tho..
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« Reply #109 on: June 01, 2004, 12:23:54 AM »
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« Reply #110 on: June 01, 2004, 07:57:46 AM »
you will like it steve.. the peee 51 is even better... everyone is flying em.   u won't be so lonely in AH2.

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« Reply #111 on: June 01, 2004, 09:40:32 AM »
Maybe later Lazs, for now (since they are free) everyone seems to be flying the dash4 the 14 and the tempest. In fact I'm pretty sure YOU were in a tempest last night Lazs :D

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« Reply #112 on: June 01, 2004, 01:18:06 PM »
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Maybe later Lazs, for now (since they are free) everyone seems to be flying the dash4 the 14 and the tempest. In fact I'm pretty sure YOU were in a tempest last night Lazs :D

I gonna wait till perks are enabled, as I'm sick of fighting nothing but perk planes:mad:
Or maybe I'm sick of getting my arse handed to me over and over :D

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« Reply #113 on: June 01, 2004, 02:08:33 PM »
Not doing bad against them. But I never fly safe.  Most don't fly them enough to really use them. Killing one that had all the advantage warms my loins..

How's that for a mental picture ??

Those that want a graphical representation, email me.
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« Reply #114 on: June 01, 2004, 02:33:57 PM »
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Those that want a graphical representation, email me.


As if that wasn't graphic enough?:eek:

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« Reply #115 on: June 01, 2004, 02:34:57 PM »
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AHII is a step backward for AH.   I'm not going to play a prequel.


Guess you didn't read my post in your thread that you started.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=118413

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« Reply #116 on: June 01, 2004, 02:35:08 PM »
yep... was in a tempest... went with rooks for a few nights and enjoyed the 3 to one advantage that is rookish...  course...eventually the rooks allways go over the top so that every single rook was flying to one minimally or not at all defended field to circle around... very boring... went back to the one vs three just to have a little action but felt that smiting them with a tempest was fair enough considering... you can chase em down in a tempest when they realize they may have to fight or flee...

The countries in AH2 are forming up exactly like AH1 with exactly the same behavior.

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« Reply #117 on: June 01, 2004, 02:54:16 PM »
Lazs is correct. It is turning into the AH1 MA.  I get tired of all the spit14's and temp's. The numbers!!!! Come on folks especially you vets. 26 bish, 29 rooks against 9 knights. And get this, they were all fighting us at A19. You would expect the vets to even things out but I think the vets today come from the era of the horde... The vets of yesteryear are slowly fading away. I have been playing since 2001 and I am no where near vet status but I have seen the GAME turn from a flight sim into a GAME...

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« Reply #118 on: June 01, 2004, 02:55:20 PM »
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I'm liking it too Muck. For the same reasons you stated.

What I really enjoy is the FM. At speed it handles as it did but more "fluid"  Slow, it acts more like a plane, it wallows. I like that. It "feels" like it wallows. That was totally absent in AH1.  I've only got a hundred hours in RL but Beta is on to something in "feel".

I like the gunnery. Can't hit squat, but it's more fluid,  entirely dependent on control surface input. Much more realistic ( my feeling ) than AH1.

That and everytime in I have a blast. Jeez the fights ??

Good time.

Steve, crow isn't bad. Some herbs, spices, in a soup ??

..the bones will kill ya tho..


I totally agree here, Not that the AWFR flight model was perfect but it had a feel that closely approximated what one would expect a plane to act like in a given situation. In some subtle ways AH1 doesn't capture that same feel, but AH2 surely does. There is definately a feedback and response system that was lacking in AH1, it's just easier to intuitively understand what your plane is doing and why and it makes sense.

The tendency in AH1 is to pull max G's w/o blacking out being fairly certain you were not going to stall or spin unless you really mistreated the plane. In AH2 however, there is an immediate and direct response to overcontrolling and overloading G's that will punish you with a snap stall or a spin depending on the situation. The end result is AH2 requires alot more delicate rudder control and very active throttle control. In my opinion, this will greatly increase the overall effect of the individual pilot's talent on engagement outcomes in AH2, versus a bias toward altitude/energy and plane type in AH1.

As far as gunnery is concerned, I also think this is much more realistic. Gunnery in AH1 was just too easy. In AH2, snap shots are doable but only at very close range, and tracking shots are hard unless you are in-plane with the target. I am a decent shot but, anything over 500 yards that wasn't just flying straight and level was a very very hard shot as it should be. Convergence also seems to have a more visible effect on damage done. I have played with convergence non-stop in Ah1 and never noticed any really significant difference unless attempting shots grossly far or near from the settings. In AH2 however, the firing envelope is smaller and requires more precise aim, therefore the convergence of fire has a far more pronounced impact on the effect of fire.

All in all, I am loving AH2, and can't wait for it to go live, I think the newness of the FM/gunnery learning curve will last a good long while even for old vets and put the emphasis back where it should be, on the subtle nuances of WW2 airiel combat.

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« Reply #119 on: June 01, 2004, 11:13:17 PM »
Best aspect of AH2 IMO....

Bomber pilots and Bomber missions are now an important part of the game.

 In AH1 two 110s or two Mossies could leval a town pretty quick,
however in AH2 towns are BIG!
this also will create more Escort and Intercept type operations

Three main types of ww2 operations not really used too much in AH1 will now become quite regular in AH2 i think.
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