rook gameplay ruining beta fun..

[nopoop]

In the last week I've been jumping countries just to find a fight, two weeks ago they were everywhere.

I've killed more spit 14's in the last week than anything else. The "last" good fight was a few nights ago with a bunch of old codgers on both sides meeting in the middle. It was a blast.

If a short span of time can be a generation, the old generation that has it's roots in the mid to late nineties were fighters. Those still around for the most part still are.

That is some way has been lost with the new generation of junkie.  There's a few that break the mold, but they are a few.  Too bad.

But what can you do.

[Morpheus]

Fighting must be banned from the game! Its toooooo dangerous!:p

[doobs]

You failed to follow at least six of those rules you Hypocrite:rolleyes:  For Shame For Shame:rolleyes:

[Wolfala]

I dunno about the apparent horde you speak of - but I see an overabundance of Tempests, F4U4's, 262's and dear god - think of any other perk plane to replace the LA5's and LA7's.

But frankly, I don't give a hooting hell if you think its a horde or if yr trying to take off from a vultched field - were still in beta, were trying to figure out things that are new - and if that means 15 vs 1, so be it. Deal with it.

My 2 cents.

Wolfala

[Hajo]

Prefered earlier versions of Beta....we dint need no stinking perk planes....we dint need no HOs....we just fought till the wings came off.....fuel ran out.....and the ammo was depleted.

We did the same testing without the traveling horde.

[DipStick]

Originally posted by Wolfala
But frankly, I don't give a hooting hell if you think its a horde or if yr trying to take off from a vultched field - were still in beta, were trying to figure out things that are new - and if that means 15 vs 1, so be it. Deal with it.

My 2 cents.

Wolfala

Spoken like one of the 15, er... rookie, er... cherrypicking 38.  

[Kweassa]

So, who were the prettythanghats that destroyed the FHs of the Rook frontline bases today, in the heat of a large furball where the numbers were evenly matched?

 You still think "your guys" are holier than us?

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by DipStick
Spoken like one of the 15, er... rookie, er... cherrypicking 38.  

Oh you know thats not fair - we wailed on each other 3 times in a row....granted you died on those occasions, but it was a fair matchup....  

[1K0N]

Originally posted by doobs
You failed to follow at least six of those rules you Hypocrite:rolleyes:  For Shame For Shame:rolleyes:

Yeah "My bad" I admit I broke at least 6 of the commandments, but in my defence I was having fun and lost control of my evil twin and let the fun ruin the experience for me...
 I will in the future endeavor to play in a way that pleases the enemy and forget about my selfish personel feelings.
IKON

[beet1e]

Lazs,

You act like you're surprised. Nearly a year ago, I posted a thread in which I expressed grave doubts about AH2-TOD. The suicide smashdown/steamroller/horde culture was already firmly established by then. I had no need to comment on AH2 Classic because I knew it would be exactly the same as AH1. Why shouldn't it be? How would new graphics and a new flight model change that? Am I the only one who realises that pretty graphics is a great concept, but WON'T improve gameplay? You need look no further than WB3 to see how that ended up. But your considered response to my concerns in that thread was "I don't see what any of this has to do with AH2 tho except that AH2 should make things better.... those who like strat (milkruns and suicide attention grabbing) will go to TOD. There will be room to make the MA more fight friendly and, as mars points out, we will be getting some graphics and FM changes."

And Rude added "Premature postulation.....all will be good."

And Mars01 enthused thus: "The important thing to remember is the MA will get a new FM engine and much better graphics. Whoooo hooooo!!!!"

Lazs, I disagree with what you said back then about milkrunners and suiciders gravitating towards TOD. They won't. TOD will be a much more controlled environment, where uppage is going to be mission dependent. You won't just be able to mouseclick your way into a formation of suicide LANCs, or a P51 pork-n-auger horde. That's what the steamroller missun doodz want to be able to do and that's why they'll go to AH2 Classic, which is currently the beta version and the subject of your post.

And that's why the AH2 beta gameplay has been carried over from AH1.

More than two years ago, I saw the direction in which this mess was headed, and made two suggestions in this thread. But as I predicted at the time, nothing was changed. Some even laughed at my suggestions and, more particularly, the reasons for making them. They're not laughing now.

The mess we have now is why I'm holding out for TOD. Without that, AH2 gameplay is going to be exactly as it was in AH1, with a slightly different set of gamey tricks.

Don't say I didn't warn you.

[lazs2]

kwe... What I am talking about is 3 guys getting a fight started and fighting five defenders from a CV in this case... Lots of fun but...  There is so little in the way of fights that rooks (but all countries do it) see a very small red bar and think... "gee if we up here we will have an advantage" so 10 of em up to "help" the 5.

What we were laughing about in the above case is that we killed the 5 and then a couple more of the horde lemmings and then we were completely out of ammo... every one of us far from our CV..  we were continuing to "fight" by frieghtening off the horde without bullets... we all decided to auger at the same time.  When we upped again.... we had become the new rook "hotsot" of activity... a dozen guys waiting for us to up... It was laughable.

I'm sure our country was doing the same thing somewhere else..  pretty much, everyone was hiding under their bunks waiting for a small red bar to attack with a large one

beetle... this is a beta..  I simply figured that people would have fun since their is no score... that is not the case.  As you have pointed out, the horde mentality is set in form years of bizzare strat.

The only cure for the MA is closer fields (3/4 sector max) and no reset points and fields that are captured as soon as they are mostly down.  

an early war area of these huge bloated maps is long overdue also

lazs

[jaxxo]

"But frankly, I don't give a hooting hell if you think its a horde or if yr trying to take off from a vultched field - were still in beta, were trying to figure out things that are new - and if that means 15 vs 1, so be it. Deal with it. " What things are that? Vulch practice? Definitely a rook quote lol  I upped a zeke on a vulched field just to see how long the four vulchers would hang around and kill me. After 4 agonizing gang vulches, I came back in F4u4 from cv...they were still in circle pattern over field 15 minutes later! Ahem....(pistols)...well.. pistols ran away to land his glorious vulch kills but i waxed the other 3 promptly. Yes Ah2 ma is in full effect.

[SlapShot]

I simply figured that people would have fun since their is no score... that is not the case.

My thoughts exactly. Planes are free, no ego-score to be found, yet most are still afraid to die.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by lazs2
beetle... this is a beta..  I simply figured that people would have fun since their is no score... that is not the case.  As you have pointed out, the horde mentality is set in form years of bizzare strat.

The only cure for the MA is closer fields (3/4 sector max) and no reset points and fields that are captured as soon as they are mostly down.  

I think you're making a mistake if you think the strat causes the hordes. The steamroller doodz are just opportunist lamers who want nothing more than to pummel a fire button, and make stuff go BOOM. Above all, they want instant gratification - something which is made all the more plausible by moving the fields too close together. They won't want to wait in the tower for an organised mission to occur. They won't want to be told what plane they have to fly - all of which, incidentally, is how it was in WW2.

If the choice is between TOD and Classic, I'll choose TOD.  My guess is that the steamroller drivers will head to Classic. Looks like you'll be stuck with them.

[Morpheus]

No one dies FASTER and BEttererer in AH2 than ME! I do it better than ALl of you! muahah

Edit: though it was funny as all heck to see a Ki61 so afraid to die that he was BnZ'n like he was in a 262. Lazs saw it too and everytime he would make a pass we'd go..."here he comes again"

What was even more funny about this was the fact that his every pass was horrible!! and he was spraying like Skyztzophranik Cherry picking altmonkey on crack!