Author Topic: Frightening E-mail (Read 1334 times)

Capt. Pork · « **on:** June 18, 2004, 11:35:30 AM »

But not all that surprising....

I got this forwarded to me by a family member earlier today. I don't know the original source, obviously, but wanted to know what you guys made of it. Like I said above, nothing here is that much of a surprise, but the question is, is it really this bad and if so, are there any solutions?(The last question is highly rhetorical)

Here it is:

This past Friday evening Phyllis and I attended services at Temple Bethel in Palm Beach. We went there specifically to listen to a lecture by Dr. Khaleel Mohammed. Dr. Mohammed is a professor of Islamic Studies at the University of San Diego. He received his Ph.D. at the University of Riyadh in Saudi Arabia and is an Imam schooled in the Wahabi-Sunni
tradition of Islam. The title of the lecture was "Can Militant Islam Co-exist with the State Of Israel?" What we heard was blood chilling, but not at all surprising. His opening statement was, "The people of the United States worry about Osama. He is nothing but a tiny offshoot of the problem. The main problem is (and I quote) "EVERY SINGLE MOSQUE IN THE USA ESPOUSES FROM THE PULPIT THAT EVERY SINGLE JEW (not just Israel) IN THE WORLD MUST BE ANNIHILATED. No ifs ands or buts!! And these mosques don't even consider themselves militant.

Trading land for peace. A big joke! The Koran states (as he quoted) that any treaty between a Muslim and a non-Muslim nation is not binding and is meant to be broken once the Muslim nation becomes stronger than the non-Muslim nation with whom the treaty was made. So all the treaties with Israel to be made in the future will eventually (and must) be broken once the Muslim nation feels it is strong enough. It took 200 years for the Crusaders to be vanquished and driven from the Holy Land.

Israel is a mere 50 yrs old. Islam has patience. Dr. M. has received numerous death threats and is constantly booed and driven off the pulpit in the many mosques that he lectures in because he espouses peaceful co-existence with Israel.

The frightening aspect of this is that there a huge 5th column right here in the USA

A little background on the speaker

Tumor · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2004, 11:39:10 AM »

....boy, I bet this is BIG news to the Isrealies. (is that how you spell that?? lol)

Boroda · « **Reply #2 on:** June 18, 2004, 11:43:46 AM »

Dr. Mohammed is a professor of Islamic Studies at the University of San Diego. He received his Ph.D. at the University of Riyadh in Saudi Arabia and is an Imam schooled in the Wahabi-Sunni tradition of Islam.

Saudi version of Islam is a shame for the rest of Moslim world. In Russia their biggest enemies are traditional Moslims. Wahabits are probably the only "tradition" that really declares war on infidels.

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #3 on:** June 18, 2004, 11:46:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
....boy, I bet this is BIG news to the Isrealies. (is that how you spell that?? lol)

Well, the part that gets me is that this sort of attitude is widely endorsed here in the states. My question is why in god's name would a group whose numbers have risen past the billion mark ascribe so much to a population numbering less than 20 million worldwide?

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #4 on:** June 18, 2004, 11:48:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Dr. Mohammed is a professor of Islamic Studies at the University of San Diego. He received his Ph.D. at the University of Riyadh in Saudi Arabia and is an Imam schooled in the Wahabi-Sunni tradition of Islam.

Saudi version of Islam is a shame for the rest of Moslim world. In Russia their biggest enemies are traditional Moslims. Wahabits are probably the only "tradition" that really declares war on infidels.

Boroda, even if what you say is true, it has no bearing on the information this man has regarding Islam in the States, which is what the real issue is. He's a scholar, and is most likely well acquianted with more than one perspective.

ravells · « **Reply #5 on:** June 18, 2004, 11:50:25 AM »

"EVERY SINGLE MOSQUE IN THE USA ESPOUSES FROM THE PULPIT THAT EVERY SINGLE JEW (not just Israel) IN THE WORLD MUST BE ANNIHILATED. No ifs ands or buts!!

I find this incredibly hard to believe. If every single mosque in the USA was saying this, I expect we'd have heard about it by now.

ravs

ra · « **Reply #6 on:** June 18, 2004, 12:00:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Saudi version of Islam is a shame for the rest of Moslim world. In Russia their biggest enemies are traditional Moslims. Wahabits are probably the only "tradition" that really declares war on infidels.

Perhaps, but they are very powerful in the Moslem world. They are not just a small cult but a major power, they even control most of the Moslem holy sites. They are fighting to keep other Moslems from adopting Western ways. There is no way to confront Wahibis seperately from other Moslems, they are too closely tied.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #7 on:** June 18, 2004, 12:41:11 PM »

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Originally posted by ravells
"EVERY SINGLE MOSQUE IN THE USA ESPOUSES FROM THE PULPIT THAT EVERY SINGLE JEW (not just Israel) IN THE WORLD MUST BE ANNIHILATED. No ifs ands or buts!!

I find this incredibly hard to believe. If every single mosque in the USA was saying this, I expect we'd have heard about it by now.

ravs

You mean instead of hearing it from the single lonely email to Captn Pork......mmmmm...you may have a point.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #8 on:** June 18, 2004, 12:48:03 PM »

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Originally posted by ravells

I find this incredibly hard to believe. If every single mosque in the USA was saying this, I expect we'd have heard about it by now.

ravs

~~One of the most logical posts seen on this BB in quite some time. Kudos for not taking part in the witch hunt.~~

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #9 on:** June 18, 2004, 12:48:51 PM »

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Originally posted by _Schadenfreude_
You mean instead of hearing it from the single lonely email to Captn Pork......mmmmm...you may have a point.

I posted the e-mail to question the validity of the Muslim scholar. You should address what he said, and not the form in which his assertion came to me, or, for that matter, to you.

Also, I think your statement would have sounded better if you'd used the word 'solitary' in place of 'lonely', since e-mails aren't widely known for their social needs.

Boroda · « **Reply #10 on:** June 18, 2004, 12:49:23 PM »

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Originally posted by ra
Perhaps, but they are very powerful in the Moslem world. They are not just a small cult but a major power, they even control most of the Moslem holy sites. They are fighting to keep other Moslems from adopting Western ways. There is no way to confront Wahibis seperately from other Moslems, they are too closely tied.

This guys sponsor terrorism in Chechnya. I mean - they are the group that pays money to recieve all that beautiful videotapes with Russian federal troops blown up and ambushed. So - I am not surprised they are preaching things like Pork said.

Even his understanding of Koran is distorted. In a special Wahabit way...

I don't know about the "most democratic power in the world", but here this "scientist" could be locked up in jail for statements he made. We have propaganda of war prohibited in Russia, as well as fascist propaganda. And it's pure fascist propaganda.

I am not a big fan of forcing Western values - but some things simply can't be tolerated. Sometimes I don't understand American logics: they prohibit genetic experiments and let prettythangholes like that preach for total annihilation of the whole nation.

Capt. Pork · « **Reply #11 on:** June 18, 2004, 02:05:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Sometimes I don't understand American logics: they prohibit genetic experiments and let prettythangholes like that preach for total annihilation of the whole nation.

Our policy towards Stem Cell research does indeed suck, but how would you suggest to suppress this guy from saying what he does? And moreover, what laws would you pass regarding the suppression of other people like him? Where would you draw the lines?

lazs2 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 18, 2004, 02:20:50 PM »

since our entire medical capitalist system is so bad... why worry if we have stem cell research or not... certainly our effort would be minimal in any case compared to the contributions of the countries with vastly superior socialized medical systems.

I don't know about this proffessor... did he really say that and does he have any validity are the real questions... certainly a chain letter is nothing to get worked up about.

lazs

mosgood · « **Reply #13 on:** June 18, 2004, 02:39:15 PM »

Hey!

If I can get worked up about a connection between a stalker being a Terrorits! We can damn sure get worked up about this!

J318 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 18, 2004, 03:29:26 PM »

He sounds like a guy we(the UK) used to have (until you guys excuted him lol), with a hook for a hand I can't remember his name but he was preaching this that and the other and stirring alot up but not actully doing anything illegal but eventully we exported him and he something or other to really annoy you guys and now hes either dead or soon to be dead.