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Offline Flyboy

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« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2004, 04:15:09 PM »
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My countrymen have been involved physically in Mid east peace for probably 50 years. Your "getting involved" in the Isreali occupation of Palistine by providing helicopter gunships.
Isreals problem for the last 25 years has not been a human wave of syrians or egyptians. Its been Isreal stealing land year after year from the palistinians. Outside the lawfull borders established when Isreal was founded by UN mandate.
How do you reconcile that Toad? You always ignore it and drag these discussions to something else. But Isreal has created its own security situation. And the US could solve it in a pen stroke.

'if you do not pull out of the palistinian territories and return soveriegnty to the Palistinians as was done for you..we will not send you any more military assistance. If you still persist in oppressing those people we will put in place UN trade sanctions."

Or even easier. get less involved and stop vetoing the worlds attempts to reign in Isreal.


Hi pongo.

belive it or not most of the israelies support the idea of getting out of MOST of the occupied territories.

but you must understand that it is not that simple and it will take much more then a "pen stroke".
if we will pull out of the occupied territories it will create several potentional catastrophic results. this is why it takes so much time and must be taken one small step at a time.
there are too many fanatics and just plain morons on both sides that acn screw this all procces.

condemn us, frankly i dont care. what the army is doing in thwe occupied territories saves dozens of people a day.

lastly- feel free to correct my horrible spelling and grammer :)


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pongo and nuke, one of you must change his avatar

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« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2004, 04:16:55 PM »
Ah...so Nuke.

When someone drives a bulldozer through your house, you'll say..it was never my land?

The jews and arabs were getting on reasonably well in that part of the world until 'Israel' was created.

But here's a question for you, Nuke. If you had to say something in defence of the Palestinians...what would it be?

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« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2004, 04:18:40 PM »
Flyboy...what would those potential catastrophic results be and why?

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« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2004, 04:19:25 PM »
How do the illegal Isreali settlements save lives every day?

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« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2004, 04:21:20 PM »
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How do the illegal Isreali settlements save lives every day?


Pongo, easy for you to say living in Canada, far from Arab suicide freaks.

All safe and secure up in Canada, making judgments with no clue. Nice.

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« Reply #50 on: June 21, 2004, 04:23:01 PM »
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Nuke, easy for you to say living in America, far from Arab suicide freaks.

All safe and secure up in America, making judgments with no clue. Nice.

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« Reply #51 on: June 21, 2004, 04:24:04 PM »
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you dont have a clue. How do you think Israel gained that land?

By the way, it was never "Palestinian" land you dolt.


Where did the dolt thing come from?

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« Reply #52 on: June 21, 2004, 04:24:58 PM »
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and the water is what?  10*C? :p


In the summer its 20-25 so perfect for swimming and in the winter its around 5 because of the golf stream :)

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« Reply #53 on: June 21, 2004, 04:25:57 PM »
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Pongo, easy for you to say living in Canada, far from Arab suicide freaks.

All safe and secure up in Canada, making judgments with no clue. Nice.


How is your view, safe and sound in America of what Palistinians under occupation do to thier occupiers more relevent then my view, safe and sound in Canada of what the occupiers do to thier victims?

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« Reply #54 on: June 21, 2004, 04:27:03 PM »
stop pinching my posts, Pongo!

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« Reply #55 on: June 21, 2004, 04:30:10 PM »
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Flyboy...what would those potential catastrophic results be and why?

Ravs


im just thinking about same ?

Can you give us some more info ?

I never hear my Israeli friends speak about sutch things. He only speak about many social problems... (coz he is professor of sociology :D )

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« Reply #56 on: June 21, 2004, 04:33:10 PM »
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Pongo, easy for you to say living in Canada, far from Arab suicide freaks.

 


So can you explain it to me, coz i realy didnt get it when i were much more closer, in Tunisia.

I guess you have some explanation from US, coz you have it right next to corner.

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« Reply #57 on: June 21, 2004, 04:34:16 PM »
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Ah...so Nuke.

When someone drives a bulldozer through your house, you'll say..it was never my land?

The jews and arabs were getting on reasonably well in that part of the world until 'Israel' was created.

But here's a question for you, Nuke. If you had to say something in defence of the Palestinians...what would it be?

Ravs


really? The Arabs got along well with the Jews when the Jews couldn't exist there.

The Jews have 1 tenth of one percent of the land in the Middle East, yet that's too much for the Arabs.

Israel has a right to exist and more than a right to defend itself.

I can't believe people see Israel as the problem. The Arabs are the problem. Israel is a rational, peaceful country in the middle of  the watermelon hole known as the middle east. Israel is the ONLY civilized nation there.

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« Reply #58 on: June 21, 2004, 04:38:36 PM »
um well, actually there were plenty of jews living there before Israel was created.

But it's not right to go and build settlements on other people's property in a very small country when the people you've displaced have nowhere to go, is it?

btw, you didn't answer my question.

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« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2004, 04:39:13 PM »
pongo- i never said illegal settlements save israely lifes. read my post again.

ravells.

first, it will create a vacum in the evacuated territories which terrorist organizations will quickly fill (take for example the hizballa in S. lebanon)
the palestinian authority doesnt have the means and more importent the will to oppose those terrorists, soon after that they will start attacking israely cities.

another point, it will take a huge effort and time to move all the settlers, although illegal those are still part of our nation we will never hurt them.

the government will get deposed. (again)

and the most importent thing it will divide our allreay torn nation in too two major camps led bye extremists.