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« Reply #60 on: June 28, 2004, 06:57:39 PM »
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You been spouting this one for a while.  Never heard of such a thing.  Prove it.


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« Reply #61 on: June 28, 2004, 07:19:01 PM »
Close but no cigar.
1.  CIA are not soldiers
2.  Nobody has proven anything other than that the guy is dead.

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« Reply #62 on: June 28, 2004, 08:41:28 PM »
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Close but no cigar.
1.  CIA are not soldiers
2.  Nobody has proven anything other than that the guy is dead.


Yeah, be probably beat himself to death while in US custody.  By the same token, nobody has proven that Al-Quaida had a guy beheaded.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #63 on: June 28, 2004, 11:05:45 PM »
No Thrawn they didn't. But you have the guy convicted and sentenced already.

The Media reported that. The man accused of that was arrested just across the street from where I work. It will be interesting to see the trial outcome.

The other side of the story is the guy died of a heart attack in his cell with no else present. His heart condition is verified by the Doctor that did his physical exam when he was taken into custody and is backed up by his relatives who are witnesses for the defense.

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« Reply #64 on: June 29, 2004, 12:44:23 AM »
Crump - do you mind answering a question for me? Since from previous posts you appear to be serving in Iraq in the US military what would you say to an order that requires you to go into the local jail and start killing the Iraqi prisoners as "punishment" ?

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« Reply #65 on: June 29, 2004, 01:26:22 AM »
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Yeah, be probably beat himself to death while in US custody.  By the same token, nobody has proven that Al-Quaida had a guy beheaded.  :rolleyes:


OK I know you aren't this stupid, so I assume you are trolling.

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« Reply #66 on: June 29, 2004, 06:43:41 AM »
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OK I know you aren't this stupid, so I assume you are trolling.


That thought the same thing when you posting about how what happened in Abu Ghraib was nothing worse than what happens in a fraternity hazing.


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Close but no cigar.
1. CIA are not soldiers
2. Nobody has proven anything other than that the guy is dead.


Oh pardon me.  He was beaten to death by agents of the US government.

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« Reply #67 on: June 29, 2004, 06:51:21 AM »
again, some would rather side with the enemy ...
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« Reply #68 on: June 29, 2004, 06:58:02 AM »
Are you saying that if one condemns the beating death of a prisoner one is siding with the enemy?  Please.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #69 on: June 29, 2004, 06:58:19 AM »
[thought balloon]What we need to do is let everyone go.  

Yeah, we let them go after we implant a chip in their cerebrum that allows us to satellite track them so we can download instructions from a KH-11 and have them kill their own before the chip explodes and any evidence that can lead back to Langley is destoyed.[/thought balloon]

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« Reply #70 on: June 29, 2004, 07:15:04 AM »
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Are you saying that if one condemns the beating death of a prisoner one is siding with the enemy?  Please.  :rolleyes:

just your latest reason to despise America and thus side with her enemies
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« Reply #71 on: June 29, 2004, 08:31:09 AM »
For one thing,

The Excuse "I was under orders" does not fly in the United States Army.  For over 10 years the US Army has required both legal and humanitarian training for it's soldiers.

Each ACTIVE DUTY soldier recieves a minimun of 4 hours instruction every 6 months in the Laws of Land Warfare.  Each mission we undertake also has a legal brief AND their is a jag lawyer in every Battallion Staff.  Additionally each soldier is required to take "humanitarian" training on how to report human rights violations every 6 months.  We are lawyered to death!

A prisoner is in a protected status (non-combatant) and has surrendered their means to resist.  It is not only murder to kill a prisoner but it is illegal to physically harm them.  The only time we are allowed to use force is if a prisoner physically resist's instructions.  We are under the same force continium as police officers.  

If you are captured and attempt to escape.  In the process kill a guard, IT IS MURDER.  You will be charged upon your repatriation in the US Army.   Whenever a former POW is debriefed the first thing that occurs is he read his miranda rights just to cover such an incident so an arrest can be made.

An order to kill/harm prisoners is an illegal one.  Any US soldier should see his clear duty to not obey it AND have the issuer brought to justice.

Again let's wait for the trials and see the other side of the story before we hang every individual involved.  The Reservist at the heart of this scandal do not recieve the training active duty does on the Legal/hunitartian issues.  In order for the man on the ground to have the latitude to accomplish his mission only broad guidence is issued.  Without a basis in fact, only in Hollywood movies, these ignorant part-timers  seem to have went out on their own Field Training Exercise.   Most of them have already pled guilty and are heading to the BIG HOUSE.

They damaged the whole war effort and stained the other 99.9 percent of the soldiers both active and reserve who are doing the right thing.  Their is a HUGE difference both legally and morally between their violations and torturing/killing civilians like we see AQ doing. I for one am bewildered that their are folks who do not see that.  

Of course, condemnations offered from a position of tranquility and safety with no alternative plan of action are not worth listening too.

 
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« Reply #72 on: June 29, 2004, 08:42:02 AM »
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OK I know you aren't this stupid, so I assume you are trolling.


I think that may be an incorrect assessment.

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« Reply #73 on: June 29, 2004, 09:38:34 AM »
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just your latest reason to despise America and thus side with her enemies



BS logic.  You don't like oranges, therefore you like apples.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #74 on: June 29, 2004, 11:46:45 AM »
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BS logic.  You don't like oranges, therefore you like apples.  :rolleyes:


No, not at all.  When one jumps to comdemn the United States for taking pictures but fails to comdemn terrorists for beheading civilians people tend to form an opinion not unlike the one posted above.