AH2 SUX with ATI Cards! - HITECH READ!!!

[Electroman]

Hitech,

When you brought out AH2 I thought ok well I'll give it a shot. I thought perhaps my machine was a little under powered due to the framerates I was getting - around 45 or so.

So I went and purchased a new processor (AMD Athalon XP 2400+) and a new video card to compensate (ATI 9600XT 256 MB card). As a result I am getting almost the same frame rates and even WORSE performance. Let alone, seems almost half the guys I talk to have the same crap going on.

You guys had better spend some time trying to fix this and soon because there are a lot of VERY UNHAPPY people out there right now. People are giving it a month or so and then gonna drop like flies. This is going the same way AWIII went and you guys are driving people away now.

Not to mention the flight models have changed quite a bit with some planes now (i.e. - FW190's outperforming LA7's in speed / turning???). That and the stick handling is all screwed up again! When we converted over from AHI to AHII everything was set the same yet all of the sudden all the planes handle different. I didn't change anything...my stick did not break overnight.

One Pissed Off Player...

[Octavius]

Have you noticed the vets have been relatively quiet?  Thats right, things always seem to work themselves out at HTC.  Had you been around for the last 4 years, you too would know of the excellent service they provide.  You're probably not used to the regular updates  and fast patching either.  Patience is a virtue.

[United]

The plane handling is supposed to be that way.  They changed the FM of every plane in AHII, and now (from what I hear) you have to be more gentle and not jerk your stick around like you could in AH1.

Also, about your card.  Do a search of the BBs for that card and tips on getting better FR.  Im sure theres something out there that you can find helpful.  Talk to one of the many computer whizzes out there about this but, is that processor able to handle a powerful video card like that?

And, dont go bashing on HTC because of something wrong with your PC.  Theyre working extremely hard to get these problems under control.  Make sure you have done every last possible thing to fix it before you go off on HTC.  When you have proven that youve done everything you possibly can to improve the situation, THEN you can get angry.  But as for now, ask politely for some help, because im sure there are folks out there that are more than willing to help you out if you just ask with some respect.

[SOB]

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122404

[bustr]

With the new flight model I'm finding I can perform the ACM for the planes I fly like the book's describe. Can no longer just rush in and yank the stick to win. I like it. Lotta pilots now bail and dive away rather than spend the time workin me into a low E state.

[bustr]

Oh!!!! By the way I have an ATI 9700 Pro 128...so go learn how to fly.......

[mechanic]

Originally posted by Electroman
Hitech,

When you brought out AH2 I thought ok well I'll give it a shot. I thought perhaps my machine was a little under powered due to the framerates I was getting - around 45 or so.

you think 45 fps is bad!??

my god man, 45 fps is almost double what you need for silky smooth gameplay.

i am happy with anything over 20fps. anything past 30 is useless.

i think the lowest i have got to in AH1 and still had smooth enough frames to actualy shoot someone was 12fps.

so quit ya moaning and play the game!

[deSelys]

You must've screwed your card installation. Have you completely cleaned up the previous drivers before installing the new ones??

Ahhh the virtues of RTFM...

[United]

Heh, in AH1 I averaged out at about 20-25FPS, and I could play it fine, but it would stutter when there was a large concentration of enemy planes or I was in smoke.  So ya, 45 is pretty good id guess.

[McGuinn]

The ATI Radeon 9800XT Works Great For AH2. It could be may things that might not make AH2 run to your spec such as ram, updates,config. or processor, ect. Just look in to it and give it some time.

[FT_Animal]

Ok first,

Sloooowly put the drugs down, and back away.

1) What exactly do you think programmers update games for?,  so everything stays the same? The new FM is capible of being more accurate then the AH1 FM, which compared to Ah2 is archadish in a way.

2) The standard VCR runs at like 22-24 fps.
If you are getting an average FPS of 45 then you have *nothing* to be complaining about. As someone else said, that's twice then what's needed to be playable. IF you drop below 22-24 then things get shaky and pretty much unplayable.

3) the human eye *cannot* detect a FPS change over 40 FPS, I think (look it up). SO to the human eye 160 FPS looks just like, say 40 FPS. It's how low it drops when art gets intense is what counts.

IMO your real snivel seems to focus on the FM. It's a new game called AH2, it's not AH1, therefore it won't handle like AH1, it's not suppose to, don't hold your breath to a fix to something that was intensional.

Your misconception of what an update is, is not HTC's fault. ;-)  

Don't mind me, I'm just the village idiot.

Anim

[Steve]

My ATI 9800 Pro has had lots of problems... I believe HTC acknowledged this.  I ran a test DL the offered and didn't get booted.

[JB35]

well im runnin AMD 1.2 , 512MG DDR , and an ATI 7500 64MG vid card with no problems at all , JB73 is a puter wizz and has said that not always goin bigger on Vid card is better , just gonna stick it out with the Ol 64MG card i have , getting up to 70 FPS over water at 20K , but jumps down to 20 FPS in a furball, but I Hit Shift F2 to help with the texture clutter and hardly hit Shift F3 , and it stables out .

[MrLars]

I have the 9600XT also on a 2gig machine.

I was dissapointed with the performance also but having to tweak several machines in the past 8 or 9 years flying AW and now AH2 for better performance I wouldn't just give it up and biatch about it.

First I OC'd my processor to 2.4g but only gained a few fps. Then I OC'd the vid card and the difference was pretty dramatic.

I max out at my monitor refresh rate of 100hz at 1024x768 if I'm at 15k or more or if I look straight up. In furballs it's very playable at about 35-45fps, a heavely damaged field will drag it down another 10fps but it's still playable and if I turn off 4x FSAA I gain 10-15fps back in the same situation.

What I'm getting at is that you can either struggle along with the setup that you have and wait for HTC to work all the performance issues out or you can do a few things that will make your machine run AH2 at an acceptable level of performance now and even better when HTC does his thing.

If you want to try to OC the 9600XT try these numbers with the latest Omega drivers.

Core 553.50 Memory 330.75.

These settings are stable for me and I get no weird artifacts.

BEWARE, read up on OCing and the heat dangers before trying. If you have a machine that has good circulation and airflow around the vid card there should be no problem.

[Wilbus]

i.e. - FW190's outperforming LA7's in speed / turning???

Total BS.

I did test on this offline, Dora vs La7, and the LA7 still out accelerates the Dora, out speeds it, outclimbs it at low altitudes and easily outturns it (all planes easily outturn the Dora and A8's).

If you get killed while flying an LA7 vs a Dora it is nothing but your own fault.

Second, with manners like this you'll never be taken seriously, by anyone, let alone HTC I'm pretty sure.

A better way might have been "Having FPS problem with ATI cards, need help". Sure more people would respond and try and help you.