Author Topic: Vets speak out about Kerry (Read 4372 times)

NUKE · « **Reply #180 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:49:25 PM »

The world has an American fetish and most could really care less about Iraq in my opinion.

It's only about how bad America is with some of you guys.

A lot of you Iraq war protesters are going to be regarded as pretty short sighted and on the wrong side in history when the dust settles in Iraq and the middle east.

NUKE · « **Reply #181 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:57:23 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
It is not mutually exclusive. You are both criminal (no not YOU Crumpp). The US violated international law and committed an unwarranted and unjustified act of aggression against a sovereign nation-state.

yeah, and so what? Why do you care? I mean really, think about why you care so much and honest.

How many wars are going on in the world right now? Why do people focus mostly on just this one?

And by the way, I feel the war was justified.

doobs · « **Reply #182 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:57:50 PM »

kERRY= HEAD IN SAND OVERSEA AFFAIRS, DONT BOTHER US(YET) DON'T BOTHER THEM.
BUSH= SHAKE THE GRASS OVERSEA AFFAIRS, FIND THEM BEFORE THEY FIND US

HMMMM, SOUNDS LIKE CLINTON ALL OVER AGAIN ONLY THE EXTREMELY WATERED DOWN VERSION.

KERRY MIGHT HAVE TO USE FORCE AGAINST ANOTHER COUNTRY, BUT HE WILL PROTEST IT SOON AFTER.

OH AND IF IT'S UP TO ME, PROTECT MY CHILDREN, SO I BELIEVE IN BEING PROACTIVE INSTEAD OF REACTIVE.

Crumpp · « **Reply #183 on:** July 07, 2004, 09:59:58 PM »

In this particular case:

It's kind of like climbing a mountain and not anticipating falling off. Sure you can you can successfully summit any mountain and not use a rope or protection. Probably do it mulitple times. However the one time you do fall the consequences are disasterous.

Prior to the Invasion of Iraq SEVERAL attempts at getting WMD into the US by AQ were foiled. They are actively seeking to kill thousands more innocent civilians. The invasion of Iraq has decreased that effort. What its also done is remove a wildcard with WMD and is moving the unknown disposition of those weapons towards a known factor. This is progressing slowly and jury is still out as to whether or not they will be found. Your opinion is on the other side of that issue and your entitled to it.

What is completely wrong is to characterize this country as criminal. Islamic extremist are criminal. They make no differientiation between soldier, civilian, muslim, jew, or christian. You are either with them or against them. We are not in this to control the worlds oil or to gain an Empire. The US takes action which we feel is in the best interest of the United States AND the world community. We simply want them to stop attempting to kill masses of innocents for some obscure political point.

Crumpp

Nash · « **Reply #184 on:** July 07, 2004, 10:02:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Crumpp
What is completely wrong is to characterize this country as criminal. Islamic extremist are criminal. They make no differientiation between soldier, civilian, muslim, jew, or christian. You are either with them or against them. We are not in this to control the worlds oil or to gain an Empire. The US takes action which we feel is in the best interest of the United States AND the world community. We simply want them to stop attempting to kill masses of innocents for some obscure political point.

Crumpp

"I AM GOING TO REPOST AND REPOST AGAIN MY POST UNTIL YOU RESPOND TO MY POST IN ACCUTE DETAIL BECAUSE MY POST WAS JUST THAT IMPORTANT!".

What is completely wrong is to characterize this country as criminal.

He didn't characterize your country as criminal. He characterized the actions of the guys at the helm as criminal. He obviously doesn't think you personally are a criminal. Nor your countrymates. Nor your country.

Islamic extremist are criminal. They make no differientiation between soldier, civilian, muslim, jew, or christian.

Yes, but Saudi Arabia, for example, is not criminal. Starting to get it?

You are either with them or against them.

Yawn.....

We are not in this to control the worlds oil or to gain an Empire.

I'm not applying any value judgement whatsoever when I say that this is quite naive.

The US takes action which we feel is in the best interest of the United States AND the world community.

Best interests of your country? Fine. But unilaterally taking action which you feel is in the best interests of the world's countries is damn presumptious. The Iraqi people aren't exactly thrilled with you. You should have let them decide/fight for themselves. But that's bs anyways... it was never about freeing Iraqis until it suddenly was.

We simply want them to stop attempting to kill masses of innocents for some obscure political point.

I can empathize.

There.... you had your tired post replied to. You won't like it, and you will post some more repetive BS in response. Then when no response to your response meets with your satisfaction you'll repost the response to the response to the response ad nausium.

wheeee.

Crumpp · « **Reply #185 on:** July 07, 2004, 10:06:05 PM »

QUOTE]lol, yeah... okay crumpp.[/QUOTE]

So where are you taking this Nash? You could have responded to the debate in many ways. Like "I disagree with that and hear is what I think is a better solution". Instead this is your response? Sounds like whimper of someone whose reason has fled and their argument evaporated.

Can you step out from under Gscholz skirt and stand on your own?

You don't have a more articulate respond but to bring it down his level?

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Saying "Prior to the Invasion of Iraq SEVERAL attempts at getting WMD into the US by AQ were foiled" is like saying "prior to Toyota's introduction of the Tacoma genetically altered strawberries hit the shelves of supermarkets."
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No, in fact it answers the argument that the US has decreased it's security by going into Iraq and that WMD was some sort of "excuse". In fact, I have not thought about the foiled attempts since the invasion. Been focused on other things in my job. I was pleased to see that trend when I examined it! It's a response to your statement:

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When Bush got backed into a corner wrt to bogus WMD claims, he tried to bamboozle everyone with all sorts of alternative reasons for the invasion.
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Face it Nash, you don't want to discuss the issues. You want to convert others to your opinion and you are willing to twist the facts to suit your world instead allowing those facts to define it. Otherwise you would have seen thru Gscholz's claims of criminal conduct and at least waited til the discussion was complete to pass judgment. Maybe asked some questions to clarify peoples point of view. Instead you attacked every time a question was asked. Not even a bungled attempt at answering the question just an irritated outburst because a question was asked.

Unfortunately your decision was made before the thread even started.

With that said. There is no point in continuing this.

Crumpp

Nash · « **Reply #186 on:** July 07, 2004, 10:09:14 PM »

Oh! I MISSED ONE!

Sorry mate... I guess when I respond in detail to this other post you'll finally be able to let go and move on...

holy smokes...

NUKE · « **Reply #187 on:** July 07, 2004, 10:20:59 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
No why would I care that the largest military might on Earth violates international law that they used to fight to uphold and invades another country which just happens to be in one of the most economically important regions of the World? Naw, I have no problems with that at all.

Did you have a problem with Saddam controlling the area and it's resources and viloating internatinal law and UN mandates with impunity?

I know that the US removed a dictator who was a known threat. I know that no one else was going to do it and I feel that the result will be a better future for Iraq, the Middle East and the world.

Also, I know that the resourses of the area will not be taken by the US, only secured for the world's consumpion and benifit.

Crumpp · « **Reply #188 on:** July 07, 2004, 10:28:03 PM »

In this particular case:

It's kind of like climbing a mountain and not anticipating falling off. Sure you can you can successfully summit any mountain and not use a rope or protection. Probably do it mulitple times. However the one time you do fall the consequences are disasterous.

Prior to the Invasion of Iraq SEVERAL attempts at getting WMD into the US by AQ were foiled. They are actively seeking to kill thousands more innocent civilians. The invasion of Iraq has decreased that effort. What its also done is remove a wildcard with WMD and is moving the unknown disposition of those weapons towards a known factor. This is progressing slowly and jury is still out as to whether or not they will be found. Your opinion is on the other side of that issue and your entitled to it.

What is completely wrong is to characterize this country as criminal. Islamic extremist are criminal. They make no differientiation between soldier, civilian, muslim, jew, or christian. You are either with them or against them. We are not in this to control the worlds oil or to gain an Empire. The US takes action which we feel is in the best interest of the United States AND the world community. We simply want them to stop attempting to kill masses of innocents for some obscure political point.

Crumpp

Nash · « **Reply #189 on:** July 07, 2004, 10:30:02 PM »

you.... are..... losing.... your.... mind.

NUKE · « **Reply #190 on:** July 07, 2004, 10:30:24 PM »

come on Crumpp, please don't keep doing this.

Sandman · « **Reply #191 on:** July 07, 2004, 10:30:46 PM »

Hell... mine is starting to slip just reading this.