Author Topic: Will Kerry run YOU off the road? (Read 2263 times)

Ripsnort · « **Reply #15 on:** July 12, 2004, 09:17:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Curval
Here's one example...but the cars don't make big "BRUM BRUM noises" and the tires won't smoke

Americans for the most part will not embrace this type of technology.

You guys like to think you are all "environmental" in everything you do, but you refuse to let anything get in the way of your enjoyment of cars as they are now.

I didn't bring up the technology...lazs did. He knows about it...but you'd never see him in an electric hybrid.

We will be forced to embrace:
http://ceq.eh.doe.gov/nepa/regs/eos/eo13149.html

Curval · « **Reply #16 on:** July 12, 2004, 09:23:22 AM »

The market will NOT create itself if the demand in the largest car purchasing country (USA) does not rise. Supply and demand.

This is MY point.

People like yourself simply do not want this technology because it means that your cars will change...possibly not go as fast, possibly not make nice brum, brum noises and won't smoke out ricer Civics.

YOU are the reason lazs...and the millions of Americans just like you.

Coolridr · « **Reply #17 on:** July 12, 2004, 09:37:22 AM »

So what? We like High powered internal combustion cars. Are there really alot of hybrids or whatever in the rest of the world. Not really. Just like here there are some but it's not the only thing you guys are selling/buying so how cxan you sit over there and critisize our feelings about the subject.

I just think that using taxes to manipulate the actions of the American people is just wrong. The same thing applies to all the extra taxes thay have added to cigarettes. The govt is trying to get people not to smoke so they make cigarettes expensive not only by taxing but by making the manufacturer responsible for the health of it's consumers (DEAD WRONG IN MY BOOK AND I SMOKE). Whats next after overtaxing Gas. Making auto manufactures pay out to victims of accidents in their cars.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Something with a large impact like a gas tax should not be decided by one man or even 100 men in the senate. This sort of thing needs to be put on a ballot for a NATIONAL referendum. Let us decide what is best for ourselves.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #18 on:** July 12, 2004, 09:46:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Curval
The market will NOT create itself if the demand in the largest car purchasing country (USA) does not rise. Supply and demand.

This is MY point.

People like yourself simply do not want this technology because it means that your cars will change...possibly not go as fast, possibly not make nice brum, brum noises and won't smoke out ricer Civics.

YOU are the reason lazs...and the millions of Americans just like you.

Embracing the old and rejecting new technology is inherent of all nationalities, colors, creeds and race. Its simple psychology and not simply an "American" problem. Just happens this subject is cars, and yes we are passionate about our cars.

Curval · « **Reply #19 on:** July 12, 2004, 09:47:03 AM »

cool...imagine what Los Angeles would be like today if emission standards were not introduced way back when. You would probably have to wear oxygen masks just to walk down the streets.

...and lol at your comments with respect to taxes. Your US tax laws are so full of efforts to manipulate citizen and corporate behaviour that it takes a massive library to accomodate all of the volumes of the changes in accountant's and lawyer's offices. Thank goodness for computers and electronic data storage otherwise our costs would skyrocket just on storage of information.

You better get over that quick because it has been that way ever since income taxes were introcuded....worldwide.

Curval · « **Reply #20 on:** July 12, 2004, 09:47:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Its simple psychology and not simply an "American" problem. Just happens this subject is cars, and yes we are passionate about our cars.

But aren't we talking about cars in this case?

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 12, 2004, 10:00:23 AM »

If kerry becomes the pres, and somehow dupes congress and the senate into passing a 50cent gas tax, bet your bellybutton and your job it will put us back into a resession.

Coolridr · « **Reply #22 on:** July 12, 2004, 10:01:27 AM »

"cool...imagine what Los Angeles would be like today if emission standards were not introduced way back when."

Don't even get me started on CA I'll just put it this way. If the big earthquake were to come today and that state were to fall off the US...I wouldn't shed a tear.

Yes we have always been manipulated by our taxes..but then all the worlds people have been. Mainly for votes at election time. However when a D!CK like Kerry is gonna try to put his own personal beliefs on us like that and use money to do it. It almost makes a person wanna take him out.

Like I said before. I am a career military man. We are not paid well and I have a family. I cannot afford a large hike in gas prices nor can I afford to have to buy another car. In case you haven't noticed those things for the most part are tiny. There are 5 people in my Family(me the wife and 3 kids). You would expect us to cram into one of those things? You euros may like to have to sit on peoples laps in those disposable cars you have. We do not.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #23 on:** July 12, 2004, 10:17:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Curval
But aren't we talking about cars in this case?

Yes, and cars are very cultural to the USA. I'm just saying, the attitude itself is not limited strictly to Americans as you portrayed it originally (or as I *thought* you were portraying it...)

Its be similiar to forcing India to kill and eat cows, since cows produce more methane gases that kill ozone than any other source in the world.

rpm · « **Reply #24 on:** July 12, 2004, 10:36:08 AM »

Curval, you are trying to reason with a brick wall. He doesn't like Kerry and will spin it that way no matter what you say.

I've seen GM's prototype for hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, and it looks pretty cool. The drivetrain is interchangable, just bolt on the body style you want...van, car or pickup. The fuel cell is sealed and good for 200,000 miles. When depleted, just swap drivetrains and keep the body. Want a new car? Swap bodies and keep the drivetrain.

Fuel cell and by-wire technology frees engineers to flatten the chassis into an 11-inch- thick pancake of steel and wires. from the rear of the platform, the by-wire brakes (1) are activated by a computer-controlled signal, not hydraulic pressure. the fuel cell stack (2) creates electricity from hydrogen, which releases its excess heat and water vapor via metal fins on the radiator (3). Hydrogen, ostensibly from a refueling station in a town near you, enters through a valve on the side of the vehicle (4) and replenishes three compressed hydrogen tanks (5). A high priority of hydrogen storage research is ensuring these don't leak during a crash. Two types of supports connect the skateboard to the passenger cabin: body mounts (6) provide a strong physical connection, and the universal docking port (7) links cockpit controls to computerized systems on the platform. The by-wire inputs snake through this port on their way to the main by-wire system controls (8), which send commands to the brakes, electric engine (9), and by-wire steering rack (10). Future Hy-wire prototypes may incorporate four smaller engines, one per wheel, as in the autonomy concept.

Eagler · « **Reply #25 on:** July 12, 2004, 10:40:59 AM »

bag of hot air
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Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet

Taxman!
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

Don't ask me what I want it for (Aahh Mr. Wilson)
If you don't want to pay some more (Aahh Mr. Heath)
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

And you're working for no one but me
Taxman!

AKIron · « **Reply #26 on:** July 12, 2004, 10:49:54 AM »

Build an affordable 5 seat car that gets 100+ mpg (or cost equivalent) and you'll sell all you can build.

Coolridr · « **Reply #27 on:** July 12, 2004, 10:50:04 AM »

are they gonna do something to make the hydogen safe or is every car accident gonna be like a mini HINDENBURG?

rpm · « **Reply #28 on:** July 12, 2004, 11:07:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Coolridr
are they gonna do something to make the hydogen safe or is every car accident gonna be like a mini HINDENBURG?

No, they will all burst into flames when parking in Lakehurst, NJ.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 12, 2004, 11:13:10 AM »

RPM,
Will they only burst into flame in Lakehurst or everywere?

It is all so confusing.

The GM idea is cool, but how close to being ready is it?