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Offline Guppy35

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« Reply #1605 on: July 26, 2004, 11:25:13 AM »
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I'm wondering if the problem wasn't the scoring system.  The purpose of the Ploesti raids was to degrade axis fuel supply. A few periferal hits wouldn't have accomplished the goal, and the scoring system should have reflected that. Perhaps something like minimum percent of total destruction with some offset for casualities. Just thinking...


Part of the problem was the idea in some folks minds that Ploesti was a single refinary when it was multiple refinarys within the area.

It was giving folks the option to hit other targets so the defenders couldn't just camp at Ploesti.  The defenders knew that one of the 4 days was going to be the low level raid to the main refinaries, but didn't know when.  That way there had to be some effort to cover more then just the single target.

Not much of a challenge if you know the bombers are going to the same place every day

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« Reply #1606 on: July 26, 2004, 11:41:23 AM »
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The cods have truly blessed us!


Wait'll you see it and then tell me it's a blessing. This thing is looking very, very mean for both sides.
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« Reply #1607 on: July 26, 2004, 12:18:19 PM »
Should have suspected when I saw 33 page thread.
 
HTF are ya Dok?
 
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« Reply #1608 on: July 26, 2004, 01:38:13 PM »
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Much appreciated. Really. All that stuff seems like it happened a lifetime ago and I guess in a way that's true.

The uber-scenarios came up on one of the mailing lists I belong to as well - lots of us old fartz there too. The tools and resources - and player capacity - in AH has already got me thinking of what is possible. I mean, we could get some serious multi-dimensional air  campaigns going here with complex decisions needed at all command levels.  But you'd need at least 9 or 10 missions to play it out - you don't want something that massive and time-consuming tipped based on one strong mission by a side. And you want a longer time component to play on attrition of replacement planes and so on.

But in looking at the Scenarios forum topics it looks like any new event from outside the CM team has like a 6- to 9-month wait to get scheduled. And that's well beyond my horizon for planning my time at the moment. And I also don't know if the current player base is such that they could dedicate 3  nights a week for a month solid to one of my patented torture-fests.

So I don't know ... it's kind of up to the people who are running things.


DOK !

Never really meet you - but heard LOTS about you even in my old AW Scenario Days.

If you have a plan / idea for a scenario please let me know at

mikebowman-ah@sbcglobal.net

I am sure there is a way to shuffle things around if needed.

:)

Right now we are doing 4 frame scenarios once per week then a 2 month lay off then repeat and rinse as needed.

The big difference is that there is a lot more to do in AH than we we had in AH - Tour of Duty on Friday night and Sunday afternoon, Snap shots 2 days a week, CAP once a week. So 5 of 7 days are busy flying something more organized than what happens inthe Main arena.

What we do have openings Monday and Tuesday nights. The problem is this excludes the NON-US crowd from participating. BUT - If it could be set up so part of a frame happens during Euro friendly hours and a diff part happens during US Friendly hours that might be do-able also.

We are trying to think outside the box when possible.

So please pass along any good ides you may have.
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« Reply #1609 on: July 26, 2004, 01:57:21 PM »
Mul! Ah, another pactitioner of Hate-Kwon-Do appears.



Jordi. I'll try to get the preliminary write-up pulled together this week. It's already up to 7 pages ... but I usually put in a lot of commentary about why things are the way they are for the benefit of everyone involved.

These kinds of events only can happen once or twice a year - due to the time they demand by all concerned, the scheduling issues, and the emotional toll they take (and this one will cause some uclers). So if we had to wait until Fall or early Winter to get it scheduled the right way that's fine.

Ideally it'd be 3 missions a week for 3 weeks. The mission time I'm shooting for is about 4 hours max.
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« Reply #1610 on: July 26, 2004, 02:04:16 PM »
Hiya DoK,
    When you're ready to start thinking about getting a terrain done for that scenario, I'm the one you should talk to. :)
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« Reply #1611 on: July 26, 2004, 02:39:14 PM »
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These kinds of events only can happen once or twice a year - due to the time they demand by all concerned, the scheduling issues, and the emotional toll they take (and this one will cause some uclers).


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« Reply #1612 on: July 26, 2004, 02:39:32 PM »
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Ideally it'd be 3 missions a week for 3 weeks. The mission time I'm shooting for is about 4 hours max.


My god .. another Big Week!

9 frames over 3 weeks and 4 hours a frame. That will be intense.
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« Reply #1613 on: July 26, 2004, 02:55:09 PM »
The only thing better than a DoK scenario is making Pangloss cry.
 
Pangloss is gone, so I'll settle.
 
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« Reply #1614 on: July 26, 2004, 03:38:07 PM »
Dux Saves........................ ............:rofl

Man thats been awhile   Dux
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« Reply #1615 on: July 26, 2004, 07:24:02 PM »
Well; it sounds as if Dok has a plan in mind; which is cool......

But if you want a real war of attrition; one that suits transatlantic time zones; then why not model a week in 1944....

Dok; unlike AW; AH has both night; Lancs and night fighters.

The Yanks can play being 8th. airforce; and the Euro's can do Bomber command... in real time.


Crossbow; the day/night strike on Peenemunde springs to mind....
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« Reply #1616 on: July 26, 2004, 07:26:54 PM »
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Well; it sounds as if Dok has a plan in mind; which is cool......

But if you want a real war of attrition; one that suits transatlantic time zones; then why not model a week in 1944....



What I have cooking is much meaner.
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« Reply #1617 on: July 26, 2004, 07:31:47 PM »
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No Hogs. Mostly the Allies will have .303's and only 4 .50's.


Hmmmm.....Singapore?

No matter. Just keep in mind how tuff a Ju88 is in AH, they won't "POP" like a Betty oughta.

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« Reply #1618 on: July 26, 2004, 07:34:53 PM »
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Hmmmm.....Singapore?

No matter. Just keep in mind how tuff a Ju88 is in AH, they won't "POP" like a Betty oughta.

culero


Close ... right time period and part of the world.

Yes ... I've adjusted the number of bombers to take the armor of a 88 into account. But the 88 is the slowest, worst gunned bomber to work with ... and Vals and Kates are Navy planes.
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« Reply #1619 on: July 26, 2004, 07:39:25 PM »
B-26 could stand in for the Betty, too.  Man, I love a good betty flight.

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