Sailing Toward a Storm in China

[Otto]

Borda,

   Is this the response you would have liked us to use on those two fools..?

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/sm2-dvic460.jpg

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by demaw1
Boroda are u living on earth or phoneing this in from the klingon empire?

 every carrier in international waters has 2 planes up at all times as cap. [ o k there are a few exceptsions but the russion planes wouldnt be up either] even when we had carriers at long beach a lot of time the 2 fighters were patroling on the other side of catalina.now if u saying this happened in carter years ok i give u that.

demaw according to the art. it happend recently but the carrier was in friendly waters and at alert status 30.  They tracked the aircraft from take off and did not percieve them as a threat.  They launched a chase within 30 minutes.

It also said that if this had happened 20 years ago the migs would never gotten close enough to see the carrier.

[1Duke1]

Damn. Three flyovers by two front-line bombers covered by two or four fighters  I wonder how many officers had to wash their pants after Su-24s passed them by at 60m  waving wings to greet our American strategic partners.

Well....actually they probably laughed, waved, took some pictures, and then went down to the wardroom for a cup of coffee.

[demaw1]

Gunslinger you are right,I wonder were the escort ships there and how many missles were targeted and I thought they were our friends now and ..and...and.. lol damned if u do and damned if u dont.

[Bodhi]

China will never attack the US or try to take back Taiwan by force.  Doing so would risk them alienating their largest consumer for their goods.  All they are trying to do is saber rattle to get the US to cave over the whole Taiwanese issue, which, in time, we will, and they will be happy...

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
in all fairness baroda the carrier was in "alert 30".....they were also in the proscess of refueling another ship

Three times?... If your carrier vessel is so capable of repelling enemy planes that it can afford three times to have a pair of Russian supersonic low-alt penetrating front-line bombers covered by four air-superiority fighters to pass 60m over flight deck - then you definetly can't be defeated

Did they refuel another ship all three times? If so - please think of having some tankers in your CV battle formation.

Otto, in international waters an attempt to launch a missile could result in an adequate answer. I think that trading two front-lime bombers for an aircraft carrier is more then success. A whole regiment of heavy supersonic bombers could have it's "combat task fulfilled" if they all don't RTB but sink one American CV.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Bodhi
China will never attack the US or try to take back Taiwan by force.  Doing so would risk them alienating their largest consumer for their goods.  All they are trying to do is saber rattle to get the US to cave over the whole Taiwanese issue, which, in time, we will, and they will be happy...

Very, very well said.

[Bodhi]

Boroda, keep dreaming... your military couldn't get 12 aircraft into the air at one time... cripes, when are you going to stop trying to pretend that Russia is a bad arse, and accept that you live in a 2nd world nation....

[demaw1]

Bodhi,

 If you are talking about now ,I belive u are correct,If u mean in the future than sadly i think u are wrong.In ten but I think closer to 15 years unless we have come up with some amazing [defense/offence] weapons they will take us on.I believe them when their leaders say we will have war within 10 but I believe 15 years. The chinese are a much differant kind of people than others that have threaten us.When the time comes they will not care how much money we spend with them as they will not think what is best for china now,but what is best for china 200 years from now.To many of their leaders have said this and more.I was never afraid of what russia would do,I am afriad of what china will do aspecially if we act toward them as we did russia.
  respectfully demaw.

[Lizking]

You didn't answer, Boroda.  How many Washington overflights have there been?

[Nash]

I heard (and believe) that when it comes to countries like China and some in the ME, what we consider to be wars, they consider to merely be battles. Their wars last hundreds of years.

I could see the current leaders of China patiently looking forward to a future battle with the west 200 years down the road.

Call me an optimist... but in 200 years the world's people are gonna be so intertwined that the idea of fighting is gonna seem as absurd as punching your mom in the face.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by demaw1
I believe them when their leaders say we will have war within 10 but I believe 15 years.  

WHAT!?

Is it what American teenagers are still taught at school?!

I only can hope that if our "leaders" (bloody beloved Party and government may they all rot in hell together with comrade putin and all his gang) say something - it means exactly opposite.

I hope that any nuclear powers will not have any wars at all. And I hope that my country will not be involved in any war with any other country.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Lizking
You didn't answer, Boroda.  How many Washington overflights have there been?

Joke attempt recorded

[Lizking]

No joke, my friend.  Your planes overflew a carrier group.  Not good, but not the end of the world.  We overflew your capitol, with near impunity, and still could.  Could you?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Boroda
Three times?... If your carrier vessel is so capable of repelling enemy planes that it can afford three times to have a pair of Russian supersonic low-alt penetrating front-line bombers covered by four air-superiority fighters to pass 60m over flight deck - then you definetly can't be defeated

THE USSR IS NO MORE.....THERE IS NO WARTIME FOOTING....THEY WERE IN FRIENDLY WATERS!

To top it off THERE WERE NO "ENEMY" PLANES.

they were tracking the migs from take off!