Author Topic: I hope the first perk plane gets here soon (populations skewed wrong) (Read 4471 times)

Mayhem · « **Reply #45 on:** January 07, 2001, 12:25:00 PM »

haha

Point is why should I suffer becuase I have a life and don't have the time to dweeb out and fly suicide missions 16hours a day 7 days a week. Worse case scenerio is I leave and go back to warbirds or Air warrior both are cheaper and have no such limitations to my knowledge. And if Iam willing to leave Iam sure theres more. theres a bunch of people that just left over the whole buggy 1.05 issue then there was a group that left due to the lop sided numbers. next thing you know your going to flying in a areana with 5 poeple at peak hours or HTC just flat out goes bankrupt and you don'thave a game to play. I think Its still legal to voice my opinion hell I paid for it didn't I. I stayed even after the whole price isssue with giving new players a lower price rate even over people that have playing and paying since the beginning. I think theres a point when I have to say "enough is enough" and this is it. I'll can my account and play HTH and or go to warbirds or Air warrior. Aces High doesn't have it all any way I don't think any sim does. War Birds and aces are perty close after all Ah is perty much an improved warbirds and war birds is an improved Air warrior rip off. you also have warbirds III Air Warrior MV and Air warrior IV due out. I think the entire comunity issue on all of them has gone to hell and that was the one thing I enjoyed most about these games. now we have perk point system that leans totaly to Time spent online rather then skill. it take sall the fun out of the game.

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loser111 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 07, 2001, 12:56:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash:
Yah - *nobody* gonna spend thier perk points onna C... so this perty much rids this plane from ever seein' the skys of AH again. I know it makes alotta you guys happy... but I got a bad feelin' about the whole thing.

Complain about it loud and long enough, and everyone flocks to it because gee - it must be some ultimate magical plane, et voila, it gets perked. It aint gonna end with the Chog, I reckon... What's the next target, fellas?

i totally agrre with nash here. yes i hate the chog, but im sure ill hate the niki next after the chog gets perked. The way i see it is that it is going to be a descending spiral. As "uber plane A" gets perked, then everybody will fly the next best plane, can you see where i am going with this? Eventually channel 1 will be full of people whining about how unfair and plentiful the da vinci glider is.

Mayhem · « **Reply #47 on:** January 07, 2001, 01:04:00 PM »

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Originally posted by loser111:

i totally agrre with nash here. yes i hate the chog, but im sure ill hate the niki next after the chog gets perked. The way i see it is that it is going to be a descending spiral. As "uber plane A" gets perked, then everybody will fly the next best plane, can you see where i am going with this? Eventually channel 1 will be full of people whining about how unfair and plentiful the da vinci glider is.

My bigest gripe about a the n1k2-j is there where only 400 of them to see service. however to be leathal in it you really do have to spend alot of time in the plane to master it. I leanred it flying it against a group of japanese players that just stomped my sorry but in it flying in the training arena early morning. eventually however we will all be limited to spitfires becuase every one cried about this plane or that. thye perk points just makes it 10 times worse.

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Jigster · « **Reply #48 on:** January 07, 2001, 01:09:00 PM »

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Originally posted by easymo:
I find the logic of this baffling. You have a store (AH) And you decide to make your most popular product unavailable. That makes no sense to me.

I don't fly the hog. But they will get to my favorite one(s) sooner or later, im sure.

You look at your most popular product, realise the profit potential and profit loss of your other products, so ya jack up the price. Over time interest dies off, so you lower it again. The cycle repeats.

People moan about, get over it, and life goes on.

Betown · « **Reply #49 on:** January 07, 2001, 01:15:00 PM »

But to be honest guys.
Would a rolling plane set not be a better idea?

Mayhem · « **Reply #50 on:** January 07, 2001, 01:19:00 PM »

Ya in a special areana, or mabey if your on the 9.95 plan over at warbirds. same problem however Iam going to go where I have the most fun flying the planes I like the most. that means I'll either be paying 30 bucks a month to live in the training arena. Or I kill my HTC account and play HTH and pick up a new warbirds and or Air warrior acount.

anRky · « **Reply #51 on:** January 07, 2001, 02:06:00 PM »

easymo wrote:
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I find the logic of this baffling. You have a store (AH) And you decide to make your most popular product unavailable. That makes no sense to me.
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I find your logic baffling

The way I see it, the 'store' has a product
called 'Aces High'. Inside the 'Aces High'
box, there are all sorts of fascinating
pieces. You 'could' just pull out all the
pieces and throw them around the room, but
it might be more fun to follow the rules,
whatever they are. The rules 'might' say:
"you can't use a xx piece until you get so
many 'points'". Much like in Monopoly, you
can't get any hotels until you buy some
houses.

Personally, I think any plane that started
production after the end of '43 should
be 'perked'. That is, if we had more early
war planes, and I liked arena play to
begin with.

anRky
-Ih8ubb

Spatula · « **Reply #52 on:** January 07, 2001, 02:52:00 PM »

As much as i dont like the chog, becuase of its all too familiar one-ping-one-kill guns, im not sure if perking it is the answer. The answer lies in reducing its presence in the arena and thus reducing its kill percentage. This can be achieved by, as jekyll pointed out, making it totally land based. If you could get the percentage of that 20% of total kills that were from carrier-based chogs i'll bet that it would count for at least half of them. Because the carrier thing is still new, a lot of people fly from carriers now. For example take the F6F, it has the second highest score in that graph that HTC provided. Why? simple, because of the percentage of total sorties that have been launched from carriers. How many F6F's have you seen taking off from an airfeild???

Now if we could take out those kills that came from a carrier launched planes that graph would look alot different i would suspect. If we remove them from the carrier then the number of chogs in the air would be reduced by nearly half and thus bringing the total kill perdentage down to a normal level.

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Karnak · « **Reply #53 on:** January 07, 2001, 04:00:00 PM »

I enjoy killing F4U-1Cs in my Zero.

I just wish I didn't have to do it so often.

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Torgo · « **Reply #54 on:** January 07, 2001, 04:59:00 PM »

Betown,

Yes, we should.

But if you think people whine about the CHog you won't believe the whining from an RPS.

My general impression is that HTC has no intention of ever having one and the perk points are sort of a substute. I still don't see how one can get anything earlier than 1943 AC in the MA even with perk points, however.

The WB RPS was great but apparently has caused and is causing incessant whining. (I was in WB and quit about when Pyro and HT left).

What happens is you get the anal-retentive contingent of players and squads having massive conniption fits because they can't fly the same plane all the time, then you get the calls to have an "RPS" arena and an arena set to late war full time..then the RPS arena ends up having 5 people in it all the time with 150 people in late war (though, interestingly, while I think the majority of players support an RPS, oddly, when you have an early war and late war arena, the late war arena takes over as people chose to fight where there are the most people.)

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SOB · « **Reply #55 on:** January 07, 2001, 05:44:00 PM »

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Originally posted by RAM:
...bunch of stuff... I could do this with more planes, but you asked for an example, I give you an example.

Actually, you really didn't tell me much there. AH doesn't model random failures or reliability into anything, so that really isn't an issue. You did tell me a bit about the 190s, but I don't really care about them LuftWaffley planes

SOB

Maverick · « **Reply #56 on:** January 07, 2001, 06:33:00 PM »

Let's just perk every plane that has more than one 20mm cannon.

Gunery will go up as players fly planes with only MG's. Everyone will benefit right?

Well right??????

Mav

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Fury · « **Reply #57 on:** January 09, 2001, 12:03:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Kirin:
Weeeeeeeeeee - what fun to see all the CHog- drivers getting the chills... - hehe, one thing we "LuftWhiners" heard so many times: wait and see, don't whine before something actually happened... oooh and how they are defending their precious little baby...

I don't fly the chog. I'm just a little worried that the precedence of perking the plane that gets the most kills in the arena will eventually lead to perking some planes that non-chog flyers will be pissed about. And then there will be a few people eating crow when they become the whiners.

Since nothing's happened yet, and since I can't tell what impact (good or bad) something like this would have, I'll set my thoughts aside for now.

Fury

Torgo · « **Reply #58 on:** January 09, 2001, 12:12:00 PM »

By definition, there ALWAYS will be one AC that gets the most kills in the arena.

The question is HOW BIG the margin is between it and everything else.

It's the MARGIN that's gotten too big for the CHog.

The Niki, after the perking of the CHog, will, of course, have the most arena kills.

But it will never have as many as the CHog had. It's 1) not CV capable 2) not a good jabo AC, and there are better choices for tank attack, and even for air to air, I doubt EVERY CHog sortie taken up from land bases for air-to-air becomes a Niki sortie.

EDO43 · « **Reply #59 on:** January 09, 2001, 12:17:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Beurling:
HOW CAN THE 1C BE PERKED!

Well over 200 of them flew in ww2.

Where did you get that number from? I think it may be just a tad high, but I'll check the Vought (and Goodyear if they even made -1C's) production run and see.

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